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5× BGH1 Studio Setup — Nearly Perfect Camera!

Photo Moment - October 13, 2021

The Panasonic LUMIX BGH1 is quite nearly the perfect camera for my studio setup. I absolutely love it, and you will, too!

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Great video, I'm interested in multicam setups. I recently started youtubing with GH5 + teleprompter + pedal control and this works fine. However, one of the storylines I'm planning would require an overhead camera (shooting table & hands) and I was considering BGH1 (=main, GH5 overhead). Is it difficult to match colors with GH5 and BGH1 ?
If you shoot Log it’ll be easy enough. If you shoot with GH5 II it’ll be even easier, as the sensors there are closer.
Loved the video, but it does make my life more difficult. I'm trying to decide which cameras to get for a new studio setup and the BGH1 didn't even make the long list: until now. If it could be controlled with the ATEM software it would be a perfect fit for me. Considering the Blackmagic Studio 4K pro or the Pocket 6K pro at the moment. Time to go back to the drawing board! :)
I hear that! Yes that would be AMAZING if that were possible!
Nice setup, and nicely explained! I’m experimenting with various multicam setups, and I always appreciate your explanations and commentary. (1 x GH3, 2 x GH4, 1 x UX180, 1 x BGH1, ATEM 1 M/E 4K, ATEM Mini Pro, ATEM Extreme ISO, etc.)
Thank you, Philip!
I'm still use DMC-G3 - amazing camera, still good for 2021, hopefully will upgrade to GH4 in this year.
Wow! That’s awesome. GH4 was good, GH5 better, and soon, GH6!
So you saying you dont like Jump Cuts but you love Jump Desktop?
I’m jumpy like that
Do a video using 4 x Blackmagic Design Studio Camera 4K (Plus/pro) + atem mini for live @nd sync + edit in Resolve?
I did that (not with four, but the workflow is the same) in this massive five hour webinar. There are timestamps to jump to the section you want https://youtu.be/5qEs8uRyOoc
@PhotoJoseph Thanks god :-)
I experienced the same flicker on the ATEM mini with the iPhone camera I was able to get rid of it with Filmic Pro great piece of kit :)
Filmic Pro is awesome!
@PhotoJoseph Yes it is.. I couldn't make it out to California for a shoot so my friend is running around shooting the shots for me with his iPhone 12 Pro max and WOW beautiful footage.. I try to not use the native app as I do not like not seeing my Audio meters. I also figured out a rig to allow me to charge my phone while shooting and getting audio .. Every thing fits in a small bag.. Good stuff. Only thing now is to get either a very thin and light Lightning Cable for the gimbal or get a stronger Gimbal as some times my Gimbal freaks out from the weigh of the cable if I am not paying attention..
does atom x sync generate a genlock signal? if we have an external genlock signal generator like aja gen10 and connect it to bgh1 then does atomos ninja v receive that signal or just apply it's own signal to the video? farther if we send atomos video through sdi module, does the genlock signal from camera to atomos ninja will be send through sdi?
That’s a GREAT question. I don’t know but I’ll find out. I’ll be talking to someone today who should have the answer.
Ok, got the answer. If I’d thought this through more when I first responded I’d have been able to answer it then 😂 There’s no genlock “signal” to pass through. The genlock signal synchronized the sensors. With the sensors in sync, they are just outputting their video in sync. It doesn’t matter how it’s recorded; the video doesn’t have a “signal” embedded; it’s just video that’s now in sync with the other cameras.
​@PhotoJoseph as the bgh1 is the best indie camera for indie guys like me in virtual production and then when we talking about multicam in virtual production, genlock signal is important in in-camera vfx but in green screen we should to genlock all cameras together with in software camera( unreal engine in this case).so many tnx joseph.after a while i got my answer. the next problem is about the distance within sync generator and bgh1(bs1h)! 😅🤣
No one has addressed if there is HDMI/SDI lag in the camera. I did not purchase the S1H because I'm waiting for SOMEONE to say if the lag is still there.
The lag is there, yes. Understand that all cameras with HDMI output have lag. Even the BMPCC, which people like to say has no lag, has lag. To be fair the BMPCC has the lowest lag of any camera I’ve seen.
@PhotoJoseph What about the SDI? Really wondering how it is compared to other panasonics. Yes all cameras have HDMI lag, but it's incredibly significant on the Panasonics that I've used unfortunately . The S1h has 7 frames of latency which makes pulling focus manually impossible off a monitor.
I don't comment often but I've just got to say: thank you. This was clear, informative, all the pros and cons were balanced well, and you kept me engaged. I am understanding more and more the value of the equipment and the need for consistency. Really stellar information. Thank you!
Thank you Ashraf; I really appreciate that!!
focus breathing is itchy, bokeh 2, so, maybe MF with F<?
This was a great video this is exactly what we are looking to do in our studio. I have some silly questions, first, how are you routing audio so when you edit you can sync up all your cameras. Secondly, can I use a smart video hub instead of a switcher and run that to my hyperdecks to record. Also I am also looking at the ATEM 1M/E it has 10 inputs but I am unsure how I would get this to send ISO outputs to the hyperdeck.
Hey Scott. Audio is through a MixPre then into the ATEM and is included on all outputs to the HyperDecks, so they all have the same audio. That’d work for sync but I actually use timecode. A SmartVideo Hub should work as long as it has enough outputs. I don’t have a 1 M/E but look for the AUX outs — however many it has is how many decks you could connect to follow my configuration. Before you spend all this money you might want to consider booking some time with me at PhotoJoseph.com/1to1 — could save you money in the long run!
Got 9 of these fantastic cameras. One important feature I think is worth mentioning is the Lumix SDK, while it may be in Beta, it gives you FULL control of every feature in the camera. Even features that weren't possible before. In Lumix SDK you can control powerzoom if using the Lumix G X Vario zoom electric zoom lenses. This makes writing your own software for controlling the cameras and internal studio recording systems easier than ever, if even possible on any other mainstream brand.
Oh wow! I knew there was an SDK; I didn’t know you could do things like that! Amazing. And NINE of them, you beat me! Haha
I guess that means zoom is not available in the current tether software?

Which languages/interfaces are used to interact with the sdk?
@Terje Marthinussen actually power zoom control was just added natively. Of course you have to have power zoom lenses. I don’t know what languages it’s in but that’s probably listed on the webpage https://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/soft/download/d_lumixtether_multicam.html
@Terje Marthinussen the language is C++. It can easily be configured in any way you want as long as the functions in the SDK are called. So for example if you want a web interface with remote control functionality, this could easily be achieved as long as you are decent at C++.
Really useful information ☑️
Thank you!
How is the latency when getting video from the LAN port?

Is it low latency enough to be useful for things like video conferences/zoom?
Hm I thought I replied to this… I haven't measured the latency off the LAN but that's not how it's used. There's no easy way to move the video from RTSP (that's what comes over LAN) into a video conference app. That's basically asking a remote streaming protocol to become a webcam. If you want to use it as a webcam, then just connect USB directly to the camera and install the Panasonic webcam driver. Or, connect HDMI from the camera into an ATEM switcher.
​@PhotoJoseph It is fairly easy I would say. I have a dedicated OBS computer + atem mini that feeds into my work laptop.

OBS can accept RTSP/NDI/some other network feeds just fine, then it flows to the atem as it is the only really stable way I have found to sync video and audio. OBS is not robust for this, the atem works fine, but I don't use USB for the video output to zoom as again, atem had a lot of issues with audio sync on the USB port last year.

Instead I use HDMI for the video feed to the computer with zoom and a elgato camlink there.

Annoying work around, but totally eliminated all audio sync issues I had and been rock steady for a year.

May sound a bit complex, but I don't make video productions, I use this to make my zoom more fun and engaging and higher quality. Basically I bring in video and overlay some effects on OBS side while I use green screen and final audio mix on the atem (I do however feed audio through a motu mixer before the atem)

Now experimenting with making this more flexible.

More cameras and easier ways to swap between work laptop and various private devices.

I have very mixed experiences with several USB cameras on the same computer and unless the camera can use stock windows drivers, there is always some stability mess that causes the need to restart something at times.

Elgato Camlink is much more reliable in my experience, so over last year, I really prefer a hdmi feed to the camlink over other USB solutions.

I used to have a blackmagic deklink input as well, but to be frank, it is also less stable than the camlink and it has become truly temperemental since I upgraded to windows 11.

I can buy more camlinks, but after playing with NDI lately I feel more like moving things to ethernet. Especially because a single cable solves all needs if you can use poe.

For existing HDMI, a HDMI to NDI converter is not that much more expensive than a 4k camlink but I need to test more to see how stable it will be with multiple devices.

I plan to test a NDI converter on the atem output as well so I can easily feed to different computers. My testing with swapping laptops using NDI as feed to zoom is so far a positive experience. Just seems to be more robust than moving Camlink around.

Anyway, this is getting messy to explain, but the BGH1 looks like a fun box rather than a dslr with HDMI and a ndi converter :)

As long as the RTSP video feed hits OBS with a latency similar to NDI devices (no more than 10's of ms) and is latency and general link is stable , I should be able to adjust the rest in OBS and Atem mini
@PhotoJoseph Btw, yes, you did reply to this.
I did not notice, but for whatever reason (I don't remember) I have 2 youtube ID's on the same google account?

I need to study that a bit more, but anyway, I have been replacing both desktop computer and mobile phone over last month.
One is posting with one ID (TerjeNM), the other is posting with a different ID (Terje Marthinussen). Same google account.

I first wrote this question on my desktop (using TerjeNM), but later could not see it on my mobile phone, so I posted it again on my mobile phone.

I notice now that I can only see the postings I do with TerjeNM on my desktop and vice versa on my mobile phone....

Guess I have found a youtube bug here somehow...
How is the latency on the lan port video if using for live stuff like zoom?
You wouldn’t use it that way. If you’re using it as a zoom camera, that’s either USB webcam mode or HDMI into a switcher like an ATEM. RTSP is what comes over LAn and that doesn’t go into zoom.
I found this incredibly relaxing to watch. Great to see a setup that works so well for you.
Thanks man! It’s really great to have something so fine tuned instead of so mish-mashed, as it has been.
Love them, I have two of them. Wich lens is your favorit on the bgh1
Oof… impossible question! I use the nocticron, 35-100, 12-60, 50-200 mostly. But then those anamorphic SIRUI lenses are awesome… too many to choose from!!
Does the ethernet provide more control of the Lumix cameras than the ATEM Mini does of the Blackmagic Cameras?
Yes. You have complete camera control over the ethernet.
effective, but EXPENSIVE!
Worth it for my workflow!
its ok, real Hispanics don't partake in cancel culture. New Mexicans was hilarious LOL ps I'm Mexican
Is this comment in the right place? I’m pretty sure “Mexico” or “New Mexico” never entered the conversation here…
I thought I was well equipped at the DxO office for our live session. But now, I fill out of the game 😀
There’s always more!!
the jump cut scene made so much sense now!!!
haha good!
Syncro scan demo was pretty cool. Problem solving ftw! Have you ever tried the gen lock capabilities? It would be quite interesting to have an multicam setup that always is in perfect sync, would add some additional zen feeling to my soul :-)
I have set up genlock but only for demo purposes. Never actually done a production with it. Don't think you'd be able to tell a difference unless you were doing a 360 or 3D production
@PhotoJoseph yeah you are probably correct. I imagine if you e.g. got strobes in action it could matter, but then again you usually don’t cut in the middle of a strobe.
interesting, yeah. Without global shutter, that strobe "wiping" across the screen would be ugly. Although whenever I've come across that, I usually fake it and yank the frame that's half-white, replace it with the previous frame, and blow out the exposure.
@PhotoJoseph so now we only need an army of Komodo/BGH hybrids :-)
Do you use the Linux tether for streaming and open the window on obs? or do you just use the hdmi? I wonder about the delay of Linux tether plus obs
I have all my cameras routing through my ATEM, as explained in this video, so when I use them for streaming (as I did in this video https://youtu.be/0vUZaqQZrFs ) I pull from the HDMI. You can however stream RTSP to a receiver like OBS or a hardware receiver like a Pearl-2 and stream from there. Have not measured what the delay is.
envy lol
😊
I hate jump cuts. But I was also trained in ENG and news studio work.
I wasn't trained in ENG but I hate 'em too… so it's not just you! hehe
@PhotoJoseph youtubers making tons of money do it and especially ones that brag about how much gear and waiting they do.

Subbed after this video. Keep up the good work. I work with multiple camera setups live and you are doing well. My next purchase might be three BS1H cameras for something like this. I have been working with three G85 and two Sigma FP cameras via HDMI. I love the network support of these box cams.
Thanks mate. Yeah it's common… I think it comes down to attention span. People want to make the fastest video possible and I totally get it. You have to cut out any "um, uh" and other gaps. the jump cut just became… normal. Oh well. If you do set up that studio, that's awesome! Be sure to let me know; would love to hear how it goes.
I took a look at the cost of a Panasonic Lumix BGH1 body, so this video could be titled "Say You're Loaded Without Saying You're Loaded" XD
I can't imagine what you think then when you watch MKBHD's videos…
@PhotoJoseph I try not to think about how expensive those RED camera systems are, it makes me wanna cry straight poverty tears XD
Thank you so much for a great video. We are getting ready to setup a new shooting location and we planned on doing pretty much exactly what you did! I hadn't seen anyone online yet who was using multiple BGH1s.
I had a hard time finding the Studio Mini because it looks like it's discontinued and the new version only does 1080. Looks like the Studio HD+ will do, it's just a bit more expensive. They also have an Ultra Studio 4k Extreme 3 which would be the same cost but I can't figure out where the footage goes (no SD or SSD).
Do you have a video that shows the timecode functionality and how you use it? That would be super helpful. Keep up the good work with an amazing channel and top quality multicam videos!
Yes, the HyperDeck Studio Mini that I have has been discontinued, and replaced by the HyperDeck Studio HD Plus, for the same price as the ones I have ($695), which does up to 6G SDI (2160p30). I have no idea why they named it "HD", because it's not. Bad naming. That records to SD cards, just like the ones I have now. The UltraStudio products aren't recorders — those are playback devices. As for Timecode — I did this video for ATOMOS a while ago https://youtu.be/Nmde6Z7fH_A but as far as how I do it in my studio — one UltraSync ONE is feeding into the ATEM 2 M/E, so the HyperDeck recorders pick it up from there.
Im not used to your audio sounding like its been highly processed. Last two videos have a noise compression added. Hopefully it gets sorted out soon.
yeah, there was definitely a problem. I think it's sorted now. Super annoying.
Very nice presentation. I love Lumix. But unfortunate that SDI output is not 12G SDI. I am thinking what's wrong with setting up a multi-camera over optical fibre cables? How long the cat6 cables can go up? In my multi-camera setup, the camera positions are anywhere between 100 meters to 300 meters away from the PCR. Hence I use OFC. But the All box camera is a boon with the central control system. What about grading LIVE? anyhow it's a great new avenue.
Yeah as mentioned here, I do wish the SDI was 12G. Fiber would work fine, even the new breed of Fiber HDMI cables. Cat 6 appears to have a 100m max length, but you can of course run that through switches as you go. You're not connecting the camera directly to the computer over ethernet; it's all going through switches. If you want to use these in a live scenario, then these will work beautifully with any ATEM .
👍 BGH1 is my favourite one..
I can't disagree!
very sick ! Doooope ! love it
haha thanks mate!
Nice this looks quite efficient. Thanks for the Jump Desktop reocmmendation.
Sure thing. I've used lots of screensharing apps and that has been, by far, the most reliable one.
Regarding jumpcuts, you could always have the one camera and punch in when you need to (easily done with a 6k camera, if your videos are 4k)
True. However a 6K BS1H camera is $3,500 vs two 4K BGH1 cameras for $4,000, and the edit always looks better when it's a slightly different angle vs a straight punch in. You're 100% right, and this is something I tell people all the time. But I prefer two cameras.
I have two BGH1s and G9, I have a similar setup as you do, I really should consider having a dedicated OC for this use. Thank you for the info!
it's pretty great having a dedicated setup… a luxury for sure, but it's awesome!
Joseph, great video! I have a question regarding recording on bm design atem mini pro. I have three canon rp connected to atem, and two microphones connected to atem as well. For some reason my sound is recording with lateness… it is in milliseconds, but still not dinked with my video. I know you are pro on atem products and maybe you can help me with this issue. Thank you
That's because ALL cameras with HDMI out have latency. Since your audio is coming in the mic port, then that's in realtime. You can delay the audio in the ATEM settings. I did a whole video on this, here: https://youtu.be/H07ZW72CSD0
Deserves more views
I appreciate that but honestly this is performing very well for my little channel! But by all means… please share it far and wide! Social media shares can make a big difference.
Hi Peter. Thank you for sharing your studio setup. Ive been using the GH5 (3 bodies), G9 and G80 for many years. Im tempted to get a BGH1 for my first long feature film (a documentary style). Will I find much differences compared to the GH5? Shall I continue working with GH5? I may wait for the GH6, but as a production camera I could rely on my GH5. Honestly it has all I need. Pitty Netflix doesnt approve the GH5 but fortunatelt yes to the BGH1. Best greetings from Palma de Mallorca, Spain.
I wonder if the GH6 will be Netflix approved. Speaking of which, I'm growing impatient with lack of updates or any really tantalizing feature leaks. My mad money envelope is getting restless.
Rodrigo — the BGH1 is a vastly different camera than the GH5, or even the GH5 II. If you were to compare the BGH1 to a traditional LUMIX camera, then the GH5 S would be the closest comparison. There are too many difference to list here however I recommend you watch my launch video for the BS1H, as that compares the BS1H to the BGH1 and the S1H, which will give you a more complete feature list to look at. https://youtu.be/bPjw8XkB_Mk
Me too!
Can you turn on the cameras remotely with a PoE+ switch? Or do you need to physically hit the button on the camera everytime? Thinking about getting one of these for a high angle broadcast for a pickleball court but I want to mount it and leave it there (Though about PTZ but couldn't find a high quality wide angle lens PTZ). If I can power these remotely though, that would be perfect
You can sleep it with that little camera button on the Camera window in the app. But you can’t fully power it off or on from the app. That said I don’t know that it takes any power while asleep. I never turn mine off at all.
WOW, didn't realise you had such an impressive network. Go PJ, I can see the S1Hs going up for sale?
thanks, and not a chance! ;-)
Great video. Very interesting. How much for this setup?
which part? ;-) The cameras are $2k each
@PhotoJoseph good point. I'll have to do a spreadsheet. Although this is easily under $20K to set up a pretty capable studio.
@Terence Kearns let me know if you end up doing it!
finally someone on Youtube who doesn’t tolerate jumpcuts 👌😊
LOL it's funny; I was wondering if I'd get flack for saying it. That's why I was so insistent that I'm not judging anyone else, that this is what I like for MY channel, but yeah quite a few people have been like you, and no one has given me grief! Yay to no-jump-cuts!
@PhotoJoseph when I trained as an editor in broadcast tv 32 years ago, putting a jumpcut to air was a firing offence. That’s not hyperbole either. Old dogs and new tricks or whatever but I still hate ‘em!!
That sounds completely fair, honestly
Time is money, and your setup looks like it saves a lot of time, so it is worth the money. Simple, thanks. I picked up a few Zcam E1s (MFT boxes) when b&h was dumping them, and I use them in my setup. Simple, and they just work but nothing as controllable as your setup.
Right on. Zcam has some good gear!
Everything is very well explained...as always.such a joy watchin your videos
Thank you Mattia, I really appreciate that!
Can the cameras still be Genlocked (using the Genlock 3G-SDI) while outputting the video via HDMI out rather than the 3G-SDI out?
yes they can! Adding gunlock doesn't affect the HDMI/SDI output.
great video
🙏🏼😊
TBH the cost puts me off. I'm not a BM fanboy, but the Studio Camera 4K Pro is £1530 and this camera is £1899 + a screen. and the BGH1 doesn't have 4K via SDI, only HDMI.
No worries — they are very different cameras. For some situations the BMPCC may make more sense, for sure!
Very impressive and very well done!
Now i also want some network capable cameras aswell! :D
Keep up the great work! :)
haha yeah, it's pretty amazing to have! Thanks for watching, Julian! 😊
Excellent!! Your presentations are professional and consistently very well done. Well worth the investments.
Thank you Alex, I appreciate that
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