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Stamping White Balance doesn't stay #1
mrkgoo's picture
by mrkgoo
August 29, 2011 - 2:34am

So I've been having a fairly long running issue with this.

Ok, so I take reference shot in my camera (7D) with an Expodisc.

Then I take the rest of my images on that shoot on AWB. Back home, after importing, I lift the white balance settings from my reference image, and then try to stamp them on another image. The picture changes, but the numbers in the White Balance brick on the left do not. Then when I try to make an adjustment, the white balance bounces back to that images default.

Why does the image not stay on my stamped settings? I assume this is a bug.

Is there a known workaround, short of having to type the settings into each and every image? For example, do I need to lift in a different manner? At the moment I just use the lift and stamp buttons below the main browser window.

Thanks~

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by Derrick Nankoo
September 3, 2011 - 7:52pm

I appreciate so much what this forum has done and I recently learned a lot from a few purchases of video’s that Joseph put together. I wonder if there is anyone one else contemplating using LR as it seems that the audience for AE3 is much smaller and thus fixes and work arounds take longer. While I can’t switch this moment, I will be comparing both in the off season. I know I will trade one set of problems for another but my biggest concern is the bigger audience who use LR and therefore more opportunity to see quicker fixes or help on issues similar to this one.

I am still at a loss on the WB issue but manually applying updates to each photo in order to get the job done.

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by Thomas Emmerich
September 3, 2011 - 8:06pm

If you’re using an Expodisc, why don’t you set custom white balance in the camera and not mess around in Aperture? Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHWn3MQ0YYY&feature=related

Thomas

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by Nikita Shermergor
September 20, 2011 - 7:25am

mr kgoo, I was experiencing the same problem some days ago. And the next procedure worked for me: I stamped the target image twice (by command-shift-v) and the second time the numbers for white balance were becoming correct.
Please let me know if it worked for you.

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by mrkgoo
August 29, 2011 - 3:07am

Hmmm.

On closer inspection, I notice that if I make an adjustment to my reference image, subsequent stamps from this lift will stick.

For example, if I use the dropper tool on my reference image, and lift that, it will stick.

Is it perhaps that when I lift a non-edited reference image, the ‘setting’ for white balance is ‘default’, and not actually the values of the white balance for that image? Regardless something weird or unintuitive is going on in this area.

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by Derrick Nankoo
August 29, 2011 - 7:43pm

+1 on the same issue. I have spent so much time manually stamping the WB on every picture when I try to do batches. Again, I just noticed the issue as mr kgoo stated above.

The WB check mark is selected when I go to lift the metadata tool but after I see the stamps complete in the show activity window, the old WB is not overwritten. Other settings carry over like definition, exposure, etc.

I am glad I am not the only one who noticed this. Thanks for any help.

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by Derrick Nankoo
August 29, 2011 - 7:47pm

BTW, this WB setting has always worked for me time and time again in the past 2 years. I am on Snow Leopard and not Lion. Running Aperture 3.13 on a Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHZ with 6GB RAM. Thanks.

Trying to complete edits of 645 wedding pictures…… :(

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by mrkgoo
August 30, 2011 - 4:22am

Yeah, I guess it’s a bug. I wonder if White Balance is handled differently according to the camera as well? I’ve heard of other issues, and I suspect white balance isn’t simply some settings in post. For example, setting the same colour temperature from images taken with two cameras really differs.

I’m using a Canon 7D, with Aperture 3.1.3, and Lion 10.7.1, on a MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo, 2.4GhZ, with 6GB RAM (yeah, Derrick - *high five*!).

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by Scott Frederick
November 6, 2011 - 12:55pm

Joseph, I MUST thank you for the 1 click then back work around on the Lift & Stamp issues with WB. This has actually been a bug for quite a while and I actually downloaded LR3 last night as I was fed up. I’d hate to leave A3 after 2 years of cataloging. You’ve saved me!

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by PhotoJoseph
November 6, 2011 - 11:34pm

Scott,

My pleasure!

-Joseph @ApertureExpert

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by mrkgoo
September 29, 2011 - 10:01am

Thomas: Yes, a RAW shooter!
Nikita: Yes, I’m aware of this work around. If I recall sometimes you can go back to an image and the stamp is back to default, however (I might be mistaken, though).
Joseph: Yup, I’ve done that work around as well!

Like I said, it’s mostly not a problem, just an oddity.

It’s possible that the INTENTION of the “lift” is that you’re lifting the “Default state”, rather than the actual values, thus the stamp works a bit weird.

But I love forums like this as it confirms I’m not going mad, nor have some other issue.

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by PhotoJoseph
September 21, 2011 - 1:15am

Great discussion all. I’ve noticed this bug as well, and the workaround I’ve used it to enable the white balance on the “reference” image, and even change it one point (then back) before lifting/stamping.

I like the stamping twice solution… seems cleaner.

-Joseph @ApertureExpert

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by mrkgoo
September 4, 2011 - 12:38pm

I actually have an expodisc.

I do use it a lot too, but my last outing with it, I took a reference shot knowing I can use it to reference off of in Aperture later. I chose not to make a custom, because I kind of wanted to see what the camera AWB was going to do for each scene.

Of course, then I had this issue, which is mostly not a problem, but an oddity.

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by Thomas Emmerich
September 4, 2011 - 8:48pm

Going back to the beginning, you are shooting RAW, right? Because if you are shooting JPEG and then trying to clean up the white balance in Aperture you will run into problems if the photos were shot at different white balance settings (i.e. AWB).

I was rudely reminded of this when doing a time lapse shot. I had everything in the camera set to manual except for white balance which I forgot about. I collected the hundreds of images in Aperture and I noticed the camera was using different white balance settings throughout. The lift and stamp tool wasn’t helpful since many of the images had different white balance settings. Seems like doing a lift and stamp for a JPEG can only make delta changes in white balance since there’s no absolute white balance available.

Thomas

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