Not sure what to think.
I’m not hung up on app names or UI design as I am about results and the finished product I can create with the software I use.
If the new Photos app can take what I am doing currently in Aperture to the next level … and it is included with the OS … that doesn’t sound like a bad deal. If that functionality is available across all my devices … that sounds like it has great potential.
Unfortunately, we won’t know anything further until Apple releases the feature set for the new Photos app or we see it in action in early 2015.
At least we finally have some sense of the future may hold.
Look at Photos on your iPhone, picture that on your Mac. That is Photos for Mac. It’ll have a few extra tools, but nothing like the power of Aperture. It’s certainly not an app for pros, why is anyone wondering about this?!
because the build that was shown at WWDC is already more featured than the current Photos app?
because the non-destructive plug-in nature means that it’ll inherently have a greater scope for capability than the current Photos app, or indeed the current Aperture?
I do not plan to wait to 2015. I have pursched tutorials on light room and will move in the next few weeks. Light room is not as eligant at aperture but it is more powerful I can not believe apple was so short sited as to not proceed with improvements to apture! Clearly I would have stuck with apple had they continued to improve their fine program. I do not need all the power of lightroom and prefer the a smooth flow of aperture as it provides much of my photo needs. non the less I am now committed to making a move and not get tricked again.
How do you know that Photos won’t be more full-featured than Aperture?
Really, how do you know? You’re convinced that Apple are being short sighted yet you’re about to fly to what will inevitably become a subscription / ransomware solution, because you can’t wait 6-12 months, during which time your current solution is going to continue working just as well as it does now?
Have fun with that bastion of non-tricky honest dealing, Adobe.
All the sturm & drang that’s floating around - what we absolutely know we’ve been shown is a better image processing framework than Aperture currently has, with a plugin architecture that will allow for anyone to make non-destructive plugins.
We also know that Aperture will be updated to run on the next OS version, so the current app will continue to work through the early, limited stage of the “knock it down and rebuild it higher” pattern that has been typical of all of Apple’s app updates.
I do not know but if that were the situation apple would have been letting us know. I fear they have become focused in making photo work on iPad iphone and so on and lost any interest in the pro / simi pro user I HOPE I AM DEAD WRONG AND SHARE YOUR WORRY OF A SUBSCRIPTION PROGRAM
Apple need to give its very loyal supporters a road map for us to maker better decisions.
I convered my company to apple and have purchases 40+ computers ( small nimber for a large company but big for my company) I love the apple quality but it has been a long time and no real commitment by apple to support aperture
time to move on with my photos. The hours and money are growing so my change is becoming irreversible
I will hope for the best for you but for me the move is underway
Yep. Sad day. I’m sure many will point to the excitement of something new but a 1.0 product will lack many pro features I’m sure.
“a 1.0 product will lack many pro features I’m sure.”
Why is this so?
As I recall, Lightroom v1 and Aperture v1, while not without issues, both had an abundance of “pro” features not offered poor to that in such a manner.
Even though this new app may be a v1 effort … it’s not like Apple will be falling back to the Stone Age of image processing.
Let’s wait and see why they actually come up with instead of speculating how bad it’s going to be.
We need to see it before we can honestly evaluate it. After that, if it is a disappointment. So be it.
I just don’t imagine it will have the features we all craved from an Aperture 4 that’s all.
WTF?? I agree. Names of Apps are not as important as what they do. If we can migrate our present DAM structure and still have the ability to post-porcess our old photos and new ones under the new Photos app, and the new app gives us an upgrade in how we can post-process, and if we can still maintain our plug-ins, then I guess it’ll be Ok. If not….
The screen shot floating around basically seems to point to a reskin of existing Aperture 3.5 functionality with the teaser of what looks like “a healing brush icon”.
UI stupidity aside, ( thumbnails of what increasing saturation will look like- really?! - how about I just make the adjustment myself and then look at the “big picture” result in the main window instead of letting some engineers idea of what my image should “be” drive all my decisions - sheesh ), if we’re looking at a barebones release in 2015 with maybe one or two new features thrown in as a come on - which would be what people got with Final Cut, then I’m out until 2015 and I’ll take a look eventually - I guess.
Dark Day for professional users …
Maybe Joseph could make a Aperture > Lightroom Tutorial - I’d pay for that …
I wish I was kidding - but I’m not.
On Twitter, Joseph says don’t fret. He’s working on a post with his take on it.
The article stated “Apple also said it is working with Adobe to help users transition to its Lightroom app for Mac.” If Apple is working with Adobe to provide a transition path to Lightroom is doesn’t bode well for Photos starting off as an Aperture replacement! I much prefer Aperture over Lightroom. Does anyone have anything positive to say about DxO’s Optics Pro?
@rblim, who asked “Does anyone have anything positive to say about DxO’s Optics Pro?”
It’s a great RAW developer/editor, and includes state-of-the-art lens correction.
The DAM features are about halfway between Finder and Lightroom.
It’s no substitute for Aperture. Imho, there isn’t one.
Very discouraged to hear the news. I won’t stay with a software product when the mfg. announces that it will no longer support that product. Imagine having an issue with Aperture in the new OSX and no one to call! I’m not risking my library integrity moving forward. I’ve worked with Aperture since 1.0 and it’s been a wonderful ride overall. I’m not a fanboy for any Adobe product…They are not intuitive, easy to use programs and I’ve used PS for years. Downloading Lightroom now :(
I don’t want to say “I told you so”, but I told you so. I predicted this just days after WWDC 2014.
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Ok - so my first response is… I an NOT happy… But then I think this can’t come as a complete surprise since the recent news from WWDC all but made the future of “Aperture” look pretty bleak. It is certainly the end of a terrific tool, but it may also be the beginning of a new era in photo editing. I have been pixel peeping the image of the Photos app and I think there is promise there. I have three questions I need answered before I throw my self off a cliff into the abyss that is Lightroom. First, just exactly which native adjustments are available in Photos? I see some pretty encouraging bricks there - and at the top of the pane right across from the words “Adjustments” I see the word “Add” - hmmm… Second, which innovators will step into the breach and provide plug-ins that work at the raw level (not TIFFs) thanks to Apple opening that window into the OS. Last - just exactly what does the organization structure look like? Will Apple really throw away the best photo organization tools on the planet? Finally - I can “do” Lightroom - hell I used to teach Lightroom, I just don’t like it and I don’t trust Adobe. As for me- remain hopeful that Apple will provide a new tool that can fit the needs of many serious photographers - only time will tell…
“Not happy” is, for me, a large understatement. But my feelings are not at issue.
I see nothing in PhotosOSX that makes me think it is even remotely a replacement for a sophisticated use of Aperture. If you look at the announcement page for the iOS app on Apple’s site, you will see that all the features being touted address two users concerns: having “photos” available everywhere, and being able to automate “fixing” recorded digital camera files. Neither is of any interest to me, or, I posit, any full-time, professional user of Aperture. Each is very much in keeping with the direction Apple continues to move, which is to own the broadest middle-ground of consumer software and hardware. They are becoming the de facto world standard for information appliances. Aperture does nothing to bring them closer to that goal.
“Will Apple really throw away the best photo organization tools on the planet?”
I think so. It has always been difficult for most users to master. _iPhoto_ is difficult for most users to master. (I estimate — OK, guess — that fewer than 1 in 10 iPhoto users understand the topological difference between Events and Albums.)
Aperture is brilliantly conceived and executed. RIP.
So far any MacOS photo app is not really been represented, so it is hard to say.
The more I see from Apple these days with their Cloud and app system the more I am reminded of OpenDoc (google it).
Hi Joseph. Some valid points. What do you mean you don’t “trust” Adobe?
Not Joseph - Philip.
I don’t trust Adobe - because they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy. I can imagine a day in the not too distant future when Lightroom also becomes subscription only. Then… once Adobe has everyone on subscription I can imagine increased subscription rates and slower product development.
That’s just me - I’m not trying to speak for anyone else.
I am of the same opinion.
Adobe already has a pseudo monopoly with Photoshop … and today’s announcement by Apple has moved Lightroom closer to that status.
There is one rule of humanity that has never been avoided. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
I’m hoping that this new Photos app offers some promise and potential.
Don’t like Lightroom a bit! Time to start looking for something better for photo management. Lightroom is not very user friendly, not as intuitive as Aperture is. How disappointing!
Don’t hold your breath for Apple to offer any solutions for pros. If they had something up their sleeve, they wouldn’t be working on a tool to transition to lightroom.
“Apple is also working with Adobe to create a transitionary workflow to help users shift to Lightroom.” http://www.macrumors.com/2014/06/27/aperture-development-stops/
“Apple is also working with Adobe to create a transitionary workflow to help users shift to Lightroom.”
Techcrunch has now updated their article stating that this claim has been removed. I would put zero probability on Apple helping transition customers to an app whose purchase / subscription doesn’t go through the App Store.
Are Apple looking to provide a core application and expecting third-party add-ons to provide the pro-level functionality?
I don’t know, but for myself I’ve already begun to move to Capture One pro 7: so far no clouds on the horizon!
Ditto. It’s a quality product, looks to have a good future. The support people and developers are on the forum, there’s a good number of pros using it and active on the forums too.
There are some things that C1 lacks that Aperture has, and the catalog features aren’t on the same level, but they talk, and they listen, and they help. I forgot how much I missed being able to *talk* to the developers of a product.
Lightroom doesn’t work for me, it’s just not suited to my brain.
Plus the image quality is a step up. Not a huge step, but a step.
“Lightroom doesn’t work for me, it’s just not suited to my brain. “
Ah, exactly how I feel about it.
I guess we can continue using Aperture with current features until hardware no longer supports it, and go to Photoshop for the rest.
I’m going to start with LR5 once installed on my Macbook Pro and move forward from there. Hopefully the transition tool from Apple will come sooner than later and I’ll move my Aperture over to LR…
I’ve been doing a quick search on moving from Aperture to LR and it seems like a rough road ahead. I have LR4 installed, but never used it. I’ve had DxO Pro since for a few years and kept up with upgrading to 9.5 and I know that it plays well with LR vs Aperture.
I really enjoyed using Aperture…. Oh well…
I don’t know how anyone with a managed library (me) could even move to Lightroom. It’s so completely different than Aperture in how it works, and I don’t have Finder folders full of my images, they’re all in the Aperture Library. I’m seriously bummed and will just wait for the new Photo software with Yosemite OS. I’m just a hobbyist and mainly use Aperture for organization and keywording, not editing. I liked iPhoto okay, but moved to Aperture for a few features iPhoto was missing, so I’m hoping I’ll still find these features in the new Photos software. Seriously bummed though.
Debbi, this might help: http://www.lightroomforums.net/showthread.php?22251-Aperture-to-Lightroo…
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Just the beginning of the end of all pro software for Apple. Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro will be next. Then the computers will start going downhill. Don’t believe Apple when they say they are safe. The only things they care about any more are iPhones, iPads and watches. The writing is on the wall.
That must explain why they just released some significant updates to FCP X (10.1.2), Motion (5.1.1) , Compressor (4.1.2) and MainStage (3.04) … today no less.
Just wait a couple of years.
Users of Aperture that utilized it as an editing program, like myself, are really in for it… It was an all in one, editing, storing for Mac users, etc. Even with plug-in’s, it all resided in the end on my Aperture Library.
I’m hoping all my RAW edits transfer over as they are vs moving over as un-edited RAW files….. Probably they’ll move over as JPEG’s.
I would not count on any migration of Adjustments. Maybe into the Photos app (kind of like how some, but not all, iPhoto edits translate to Aperture). Most certainly not into Lightroom. I'd consider any migration of existing photos as a two-fer. The RAW and a cooked JPG with Aperture edits.
They migrate as is to iPhoto. LR is hard to say as the would be the major reason why Apple and Adobe wold team up.
That’s what I expect, but Apple has stated:
One thing we have seen over the years is Apple’s attitude towards progress. Sometimes it is painful, but in the long run, you get an integrated system that works. This is in sharp contrast to the Windows world that still smacks of DOS. Apple abandoned the floppy and the optical drives - do you really miss them?
I love Aperture for its organizational properties, and can do most of my edits in it. As for Photos, I am not going to start an exit strategy until and unless it really becomes necessary. Wait and see. The only pain is in keeping my fingers crossed until the new program is released.
“in the long run, you get an integrated system that works”
I don’t value an integrated system for my business assets. I value highly sophisticated stand-alone applications that leverage my ability to make things. I fear that in the case of my professional needs, Apple’s values veer away from mine.
If one upgrades to Yosemite, from what I understand, it will not recognize Aperture/iPhoto. If that’s the case, then yes, one can keep their current OS and continue to use Aperture/iPhoto, but updating for new cameras and support will be no more.
That’s why I’m planning ahead.. With hopes that something, from earlier posts, is designed to make moving the library to LR/PS a little easier.
Apple stated today that they will upgrade Aperture to be compatible with Yosemite (and that that will be the final update).