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PhotoLab 4 DeepPRIME — Your Photos Treated! (LIVE Replay)

Photo Moment - October 21, 2020

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This is a replay of the LIVE show! I go live every Wednesday at 10am Pacific for a show of random chattering and meandering tech. It's a great place to get any lingering questions you have, answered!

This week I was showing off the brand new DxO PhotoLab 4 DeepPRIME feature, which is an amazing new noise reduction algorithm. I actually brought in viewer-submitted high ISO photos to treat! Here's the best one… this one truly blew me away! Thanks Aaron for the submission — to see a before/after slider of that, check out this page.

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Reply from glsracer
on Tuesday, December 1, 2020 - 7:03am

I actually shot a really tricky destination wedding last year where we ended up indoors in a tight and dark space due to weather. I could not use flash and had to push the images much more than normal and I wasn't happy with most of them. The bride is a friend so I went back and re-edited a bunch of the photos pushing some even more and using DeepPRIME. I was amazed at the difference. The photos were originally processed with Prime noise reduction in DXO Optics Pro 10 Elite. In April of this year I got a new camera and upgraded to DXO PL3 but didn't note a difference in NR performance. PL4 is a huge leap and after playing with the trial for a while, ended up happily paying the upgrade fee for the new version. I'm primarily an M43 shooter but I also have an a6000 and 550D from a while back and while I don't use the 550D much any more, DeepPRIME gave new life to my a6000 and GX1.

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Wednesday, December 2, 2020 - 1:33pm

That is awesome to hear, thanks for sharing!

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Reply from toosas
on Sunday, November 22, 2020 - 5:00am

I hereby welcome our future AI overlords

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Reply from philip swan
on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 - 5:41am

can you help when i try to install my water mark i get the following: Watermark file not read correctly: file format not supported, file does not exist or incorrect geometry. it is a png file

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Reply from anayv11
on Saturday, November 7, 2020 - 6:52am

excellent video! Thanks . will be upgrading soon

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Saturday, November 7, 2020 - 10:01am

sweet!

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Reply from jer
on Thursday, October 29, 2020 - 8:25pm

Thanks for an extremely knowledgeable and watchable intro! Does your new relationship with DxO PL mean that we'll be seeing How-To videos from you on PhotoLab Ver 4? I'll be Subscribing if that is the case.

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Saturday, October 31, 2020 - 10:16am

I haven’t done a new software training series in a while and don’t plan to do notes right now. I actually am doing a ton of free webinars for DxO so that’s a good place to start. PhotoJoseph.com/DxO

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Reply from marc thibault
on Monday, October 26, 2020 - 2:38pm

Deep prime need a good processing computer,, and graphic,,card..up to date.. if you have a old computer too old.. the exportation must be too long.. and some bug and freezing image processing with win 10...so i ask a remboursement andstay a while with Dx 3 elite again..A_+

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Reply from Tim
on Saturday, October 24, 2020 - 4:21pm

Deep Prime seems to work very well indeed, I've tried it on a couple of my noisy photos and all came out much better than Prime alone. Not only does it find detail in the noise of the subject, but it produces much less crunchy artifacts in the blurred but still noisy background. It also runs faster at least for me - 10s to export ~12MP cropped image with DeepPrime, vs 19s for the same image with Prime.

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Sunday, October 25, 2020 - 9:57am

That’s awesome to hear! Yeah it’s an amazing tool for sure.

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Reply from Gr8Moblaze
on Saturday, October 24, 2020 - 7:53am

Great overview! I watched this and the live version. What button are you hitting when you see the original without noise reduction applied? It looks like a quick toggle but I am not noticing the mouse moving or any sliders moving. You have sold me to upgrade from version 3 to 4 which I thought I was not going to do.

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Sunday, October 25, 2020 - 10:15am

Just click and hold in the preview window.

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Reply from Gr8Moblaze
on Monday, October 26, 2020 - 1:49pm

@PhotoJoseph I wonder if it is an MAC version feature. It is not happening for me on windows. Will keep playing with it to see if it is just me.

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Monday, October 26, 2020 - 2:19pm

hm, no I'm quite sure it's everywhere. You're clicking and holding on the tiny preview window, right?

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Reply from Gr8Moblaze
on Monday, October 26, 2020 - 4:54pm

@PhotoJoseph Correct. Using the tiny preview window under "Denoising Technology". Tried left mouse hold, right mouse hold, both hold, and a mix of ctrl, alt, shift the mouse holds. Checked shortcuts but nothing jumping out to me as of yet. I am sure I am missing something.

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Reply from Behram Cooper
on Friday, October 23, 2020 - 6:48am

Is the Deep Prime Denoising included in the Standard edition or only in the Elite edition?

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Friday, October 23, 2020 - 3:40pm

Elite — please visit PhotoJoseph.com/dxo for a full breakdown

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Reply from Jean V
on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 4:39pm

Great overview, thanks. I have downloaded the trial version and boy, what an amazing piece of software! I was using the version 2 until now, and the improvements are very noticeable. Kudos, Dxo!

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 4:57pm

Right on, glad you are checking it out!

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Reply from Paul Anderson
on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 5:01am

Cool. May give me another 5 years using my GX9! Nice summary and great examples! Many thanks.

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 6:37am

Seriously!

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Reply from Andrej Tomažin
on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 3:01am

Ha ha ha Mac Pro ...

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 4:55pm

someone has to use it ;-)

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Reply from Ant Pruitt
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 9:48pm

Beautiful delivery of this information, as usual. THANK YOU for sharing

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 4:56pm

Thanks buddy!

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Reply from g bee
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 3:50pm

Great review. So DeepPrime has no controls at all?

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 5:38pm

Actually there’s a Luminance slider (“reduces fine grain”) and a Dead Pixels slider (“reduces dead and hot pixels”).

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Reply from Paul Johnson
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 2:31pm

This is going to sound stupid but I need to ask ... if I have old negatives which I then copy using a macro lens into a 2020 camera as RAW files can I then use DeepPRIME to denoise them? The camera/lens combo will be recognised by DXO even though the images were taken on an analog camera 30 years ago. I ask because I’m just about to start digitising several thousands of old analog negatives.

2nd part of question ... is ISO really relevant or is it just the fact that the image is noisy?

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 7:00pm

No, that won't work. The algorithm is built on knowledge of noise patterns of specific cameras at specific ISOs. You'd be telling PhotoLab that the photo was shot by the camera you shot the negative with, not the camera you shot the film with. You would need to use a generic denoise tool, not one that's based on the camera profile. And I think that answer your second question, too.

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Reply from Paul Johnson
on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 1:13am

Many thanks 👍

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Reply from Daryl Barber
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 1:50pm

Sold on DeepPrime. Thanks 👍🏻

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 1:59pm

It’s pretty amazing!

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Reply from Jason Ekholm
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 9:59am

Excellent overview. Though I wonder what scenarios someone would choose PRIME over DeepPRIME. Does DeepPRIME add a significant time/processing penalty versus PRIME? Or perhaps there's some edge case scenarios where PRIME produces better image quality than DeepPRIME.

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 2:04pm

I think it’s only still there because it’s faster. I don’t see a difference but my Mac is kinda insane. If your noise reduction needs are met by PRIME, and if DeepPRIME takes longer and you have a ton of images to process… that’s a guess. It never came up in the press meetings!

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Reply from Jason Ekholm
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 6:24pm

@PhotoJoseph Thanks for the input, just did some testing with a 36MP 102k ISO file on my 3 year old low end laptop.

22seconds with HQ.
44seconds with PRIME.
53seconds with DeepPrime.

So it seems DeepPRIME comes with about a ~20% processing penalty over PRIME. But holy smokes the increase in image quality in the case of my test photo was beyond measure. Just incredible!

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 6:57pm

That's awesome to hear! If you're curious about timing… drop the file here and I'll check the performance on my 16-core Mac Pro :D https://www.dropbox.com/request/cfGAqPu4pHUp3XXExz9L

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Reply from Shark
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 9:27am

Hey Joseph, nice video, never heard of Photolab. How does this compare to Luminar?

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 2:06pm

I’d say this is more traditional, more technical, more professional. Luminar had some amazing features but in my experience many don’t quite meet the granular precision I want. Their sky replacement though is pretty insane.

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Reply from Shark
on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 1:43am

@PhotoJoseph, okay. Yes, PhotoLab 4 seems to tick alot of boxes!

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Reply from ILOVEALGARVE
on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 4:09am

since a few months, I use both. First DXO. Yes, it is more professional, more stable, better programming. Version 4.0 uses both the CPU and the GPU simultaneously. And the RAM, a weak point of Luminar without crashing. I shoot in RAW, work with DXO, export in TIFF, then I get fantastic pictures, 100% guarantee, no frustration. Only then I open the photos in Luminar in order to add additional effects, which may be fantastic or . But when Luminar crashes and fails, I still have a very good photo.
But when it works as it should, then Luminar is great. But it will always stay combined, at least for now.
DXO 4.0 is a major improvement with deepdenoise. Using a good graphics card is great, and while exporting lots of photos, I still have about 50% of the CPU resources available. This is a lot with my old i9-7900 (10 cores, 20 threads), and it costs about ten times less as the MacPro of Joseph.
Especially considering that I recently upgraded my RAM from 32 to 64 GB (rather cheap for the moment for a PC; impossible to afford for a MacPro for me; my limit is 2000 € for my PC, and a few hundred € for self-upgrading from time to time)
No idea how stable Luminar would be on the MacPro. A comparison of DXO deepdenoise with Topaz denoise would be interesting. No idea what Adobe is doing for the moment. But certainly too expensive, too slow, too complex and not so well advanced in AI (for the moment)

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Reply from ILOVEALGARVE
on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 4:13am

sorry, I forgot to mention that I shoot full frame with 62 Mpixel resolution (Sony A7RIV) so I need a fast PC. I would love to compare it to a 20.000 € MacPro

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 8:45am

Get PhotoLab 4 here: https://geni.us/DxO-PL4 — The new DxO PhotoLab 4 is here, and it has one feature that will ABSOLUTELY make you want it — DeepPRIME. The single most amazing noise reduction tool EVER!

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Reply from Library Collection
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 7:49am

The clarity of your delivery is phenomenal. Utterly pleasurable to watch. A million thanks!

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 8:44am

Thank you so much for that!

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Reply from Doron Cohen
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 6:25am

Great demo. Happy for DXO that you are here.

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Reply from PhotoJoseph
on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 7:37am

Thanks!

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