PhotoLab 4 DeepPRIME — Your Photos Treated! (LIVE Replay)
Photo Moment - October 21, 2020
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This is a replay of the LIVE show! I go live every Wednesday at 10am Pacific for a show of random chattering and meandering tech. It's a great place to get any lingering questions you have, answered!
This week I was showing off the brand new DxO PhotoLab 4 DeepPRIME feature, which is an amazing new noise reduction algorithm. I actually brought in viewer-submitted high ISO photos to treat! Here's the best one… this one truly blew me away! Thanks Aaron for the submission — to see a before/after slider of that, check out this page.
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Be sure to check if your camera is supported. After downloading the trial version, I was saddened to find out my cameras were not supported. The cameras are multiple months old, so I was very surprised DXO does not yet support them. BTW, Topaz DeNoiseAi supports their raw files. Just be sure your camera is supported before spending your hard earned money.
I actually shot a really tricky destination wedding last year where we ended up indoors in a tight and dark space due to weather. I could not use flash and had to push the images much more than normal and I wasn't happy with most of them. The bride is a friend so I went back and re-edited a bunch of the photos pushing some even more and using DeepPRIME. I was amazed at the difference. The photos were originally processed with Prime noise reduction in DXO Optics Pro 10 Elite. In April of this year I got a new camera and upgraded to DXO PL3 but didn't note a difference in NR performance. PL4 is a huge leap and after playing with the trial for a while, ended up happily paying the upgrade fee for the new version. I'm primarily an M43 shooter but I also have an a6000 and 550D from a while back and while I don't use the 550D much any more, DeepPRIME gave new life to my a6000 and GX1.
That is awesome to hear, thanks for sharing!
I hereby welcome our future AI overlords
can you help when i try to install my water mark i get the following: Watermark file not read correctly: file format not supported, file does not exist or incorrect geometry. it is a png file
excellent video! Thanks . will be upgrading soon
Thanks for an extremely knowledgeable and watchable intro! Does your new relationship with DxO PL mean that we'll be seeing How-To videos from you on PhotoLab Ver 4? I'll be Subscribing if that is the case.
I haven’t done a new software training series in a while and don’t plan to do notes right now. I actually am doing a ton of free webinars for DxO so that’s a good place to start. PhotoJoseph.com/DxO
Deep prime need a good processing computer,, and graphic,,card..up to date.. if you have a old computer too old.. the exportation must be too long.. and some bug and freezing image processing with win 10...so i ask a remboursement andstay a while with Dx 3 elite again..A_+
Deep Prime seems to work very well indeed, I've tried it on a couple of my noisy photos and all came out much better than Prime alone. Not only does it find detail in the noise of the subject, but it produces much less crunchy artifacts in the blurred but still noisy background. It also runs faster at least for me - 10s to export ~12MP cropped image with DeepPrime, vs 19s for the same image with Prime.
That’s awesome to hear! Yeah it’s an amazing tool for sure.
Great overview! I watched this and the live version. What button are you hitting when you see the original without noise reduction applied? It looks like a quick toggle but I am not noticing the mouse moving or any sliders moving. You have sold me to upgrade from version 3 to 4 which I thought I was not going to do.
Just click and hold in the preview window.
@PhotoJoseph I wonder if it is an MAC version feature. It is not happening for me on windows. Will keep playing with it to see if it is just me.
hm, no I'm quite sure it's everywhere. You're clicking and holding on the tiny preview window, right?
@PhotoJoseph Correct. Using the tiny preview window under "Denoising Technology". Tried left mouse hold, right mouse hold, both hold, and a mix of ctrl, alt, shift the mouse holds. Checked shortcuts but nothing jumping out to me as of yet. I am sure I am missing something.
Is the Deep Prime Denoising included in the Standard edition or only in the Elite edition?
Elite — please visit PhotoJoseph.com/dxo for a full breakdown
Great overview, thanks. I have downloaded the trial version and boy, what an amazing piece of software! I was using the version 2 until now, and the improvements are very noticeable. Kudos, Dxo!
Right on, glad you are checking it out!
Cool. May give me another 5 years using my GX9! Nice summary and great examples! Many thanks.
Beautiful delivery of this information, as usual. THANK YOU for sharing
Great review. So DeepPrime has no controls at all?
Actually there’s a Luminance slider (“reduces fine grain”) and a Dead Pixels slider (“reduces dead and hot pixels”).
This is going to sound stupid but I need to ask ... if I have old negatives which I then copy using a macro lens into a 2020 camera as RAW files can I then use DeepPRIME to denoise them? The camera/lens combo will be recognised by DXO even though the images were taken on an analog camera 30 years ago. I ask because I’m just about to start digitising several thousands of old analog negatives.
2nd part of question ... is ISO really relevant or is it just the fact that the image is noisy?
2nd part of question ... is ISO really relevant or is it just the fact that the image is noisy?
No, that won't work. The algorithm is built on knowledge of noise patterns of specific cameras at specific ISOs. You'd be telling PhotoLab that the photo was shot by the camera you shot the negative with, not the camera you shot the film with. You would need to use a generic denoise tool, not one that's based on the camera profile. And I think that answer your second question, too.
Sold on DeepPrime. Thanks 👍🏻
Excellent overview. Though I wonder what scenarios someone would choose PRIME over DeepPRIME. Does DeepPRIME add a significant time/processing penalty versus PRIME? Or perhaps there's some edge case scenarios where PRIME produces better image quality than DeepPRIME.
I think it’s only still there because it’s faster. I don’t see a difference but my Mac is kinda insane. If your noise reduction needs are met by PRIME, and if DeepPRIME takes longer and you have a ton of images to process… that’s a guess. It never came up in the press meetings!
@PhotoJoseph Thanks for the input, just did some testing with a 36MP 102k ISO file on my 3 year old low end laptop.
22seconds with HQ.
44seconds with PRIME.
53seconds with DeepPrime.
So it seems DeepPRIME comes with about a ~20% processing penalty over PRIME. But holy smokes the increase in image quality in the case of my test photo was beyond measure. Just incredible!
22seconds with HQ.
44seconds with PRIME.
53seconds with DeepPrime.
So it seems DeepPRIME comes with about a ~20% processing penalty over PRIME. But holy smokes the increase in image quality in the case of my test photo was beyond measure. Just incredible!
That's awesome to hear! If you're curious about timing… drop the file here and I'll check the performance on my 16-core Mac Pro :D https://www.dropbox.com/request/cfGAqPu4pHUp3XXExz9L
Hey Joseph, nice video, never heard of Photolab. How does this compare to Luminar?
I’d say this is more traditional, more technical, more professional. Luminar had some amazing features but in my experience many don’t quite meet the granular precision I want. Their sky replacement though is pretty insane.
since a few months, I use both. First DXO. Yes, it is more professional, more stable, better programming. Version 4.0 uses both the CPU and the GPU simultaneously. And the RAM, a weak point of Luminar without crashing. I shoot in RAW, work with DXO, export in TIFF, then I get fantastic pictures, 100% guarantee, no frustration. Only then I open the photos in Luminar in order to add additional effects, which may be fantastic or . But when Luminar crashes and fails, I still have a very good photo.
But when it works as it should, then Luminar is great. But it will always stay combined, at least for now.
DXO 4.0 is a major improvement with deepdenoise. Using a good graphics card is great, and while exporting lots of photos, I still have about 50% of the CPU resources available. This is a lot with my old i9-7900 (10 cores, 20 threads), and it costs about ten times less as the MacPro of Joseph.
Especially considering that I recently upgraded my RAM from 32 to 64 GB (rather cheap for the moment for a PC; impossible to afford for a MacPro for me; my limit is 2000 € for my PC, and a few hundred € for self-upgrading from time to time)
No idea how stable Luminar would be on the MacPro. A comparison of DXO deepdenoise with Topaz denoise would be interesting. No idea what Adobe is doing for the moment. But certainly too expensive, too slow, too complex and not so well advanced in AI (for the moment)
But when it works as it should, then Luminar is great. But it will always stay combined, at least for now.
DXO 4.0 is a major improvement with deepdenoise. Using a good graphics card is great, and while exporting lots of photos, I still have about 50% of the CPU resources available. This is a lot with my old i9-7900 (10 cores, 20 threads), and it costs about ten times less as the MacPro of Joseph.
Especially considering that I recently upgraded my RAM from 32 to 64 GB (rather cheap for the moment for a PC; impossible to afford for a MacPro for me; my limit is 2000 € for my PC, and a few hundred € for self-upgrading from time to time)
No idea how stable Luminar would be on the MacPro. A comparison of DXO deepdenoise with Topaz denoise would be interesting. No idea what Adobe is doing for the moment. But certainly too expensive, too slow, too complex and not so well advanced in AI (for the moment)
sorry, I forgot to mention that I shoot full frame with 62 Mpixel resolution (Sony A7RIV) so I need a fast PC. I would love to compare it to a 20.000 € MacPro
Get PhotoLab 4 here: https://geni.us/DxO-PL4 — The new DxO PhotoLab 4 is here, and it has one feature that will ABSOLUTELY make you want it — DeepPRIME. The single most amazing noise reduction tool EVER!
The clarity of your delivery is phenomenal. Utterly pleasurable to watch. A million thanks!
Great demo. Happy for DXO that you are here.
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