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LUMIX S1H + ProRes RAW + ATOMOS Ninja V!

Photo Moment - April 20, 2020

The announcement is here! Find out what's coming and when in this video, then read the full press release and check out my videos at Panasonic and ATOMOS!

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Panasonic Press Release

Panasonic has announced that the company will release the firmware update program for the LUMIX S1H Full-Frame mirrorless camera to enhance its performance and usability, as proclaimed last September. Working together with Atomos, a global company that creates video equipment for professional film creators, the new firmware enables the output of maximum 5.9K/29.97p and 59.94p 4K* RAW video data over HDMI to save it as Apple ProRes RAW on the Atomos Ninja V 4K HDR monitor-recorder. In addition, it further complies with 3.5K Anamorphic 4:3. Panasonic commits to provide innovative solutions for professional film creation by enabling all S1H users to receive this firmware for free of charge.

The program will be available at LUMIX Global Customer Support website https://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/dsc/ on 25 May, 2020.

* 4128x2176(17:9), announced as “C4K” at IBC2019. Corresponding to C4K (4096×2160) as defined by Digital Cinema Initiatives (DCI).

LUMIX S1H Firmware Version 2.0

RAW video data output over HDMI

  • [5.9K] / [4K] / [Anamorphic (4:3) 3.5K] 12-bit RAW video data can be output over HDMI.

The Apple ProRes RAW can be recorded on Atomos Ninja V.

AreaResolutionFrame RateAspectHDMI Output
Full-Frame5.9K (5888x3312)29.97p/25p/23.98p16:912-bit
Super 35mm4K (4128x2176)59.94p/50p/29.97p/25p/23.98p17:912-bit
Super 35mm Anamorphic3.5K (3536x2656)50p/29.97p/25p/23.98p4:312-bit
  • V-Log or Rec.709 is selectable on Live View monitor during RAW output. 
  • Shooting assist functions including WFM (Wave Form Monitor), Vector Scope, Luminance Spot Meter, Zebra Pattern can be used during RAW output.

Enhanced video functions / improved performance

  • Downconverted output over HDMI during [6K]/[5.9K]/[5.4K] video recording is available.In Creative Video mode, it is possible to disable the operation of starting/stopping video recording by pressing a shutter button.
  • In Creative Video mode, it is possible to set [Rec Quality(My List)] from the control panel.
  • The value of noise reduction in [V-Log] in Photo Style has been expanded to [-1]. It suppress afterimages previously occurred in some situations.
  • It is possible to prevent the enlarged view window of MF Assist to be output over HDMI.
  • There were cases where color banding appeared in 4:2:0/10-bit video recording in some situations. This bug has been minimized.
  • There were cases where the REC RUN time code did not count up when the video was not recorded on an SD Memory Card but was recorded on an external device over HDMI. This bug has been fixed.

Other added functions / improvements

  • It is possible to set [AF+MF] in AFC mode.
  • It is possible to assign functions to the lens’ Fn buttons when the Panasonic LUMIX S PRO 70-200mm F2.8 O.I.S. (S-E70200) is mounted.
  • It is possible to assign function to the Fn buttons of Sigma L-Mount interchangeable lenses.
  • When attaching a lens using the Sigma MC-21 mount converter and [Image Stabilizer] > [Lens] is set to ON , Body I.S.(Image Stabilizer) suppresses roll movement.
  • [Backlight Illumination Period] has been added to the menu of Status LCD.  [ON1] prevents the LCD backlight to be turned off.
  • It is possible to select the card slot to save the JPEG images developed by in-camera RAW processing.
  • [0.5 SEC] has been added for an option of [Duration Time (photo)] in [Auto Review].
  • [Off (Disable Press and Hold)] can be assigned to the Fn button. It disables operation when the button is long-pressed.
  • Fn button can be used for checking aperture effect while the button is pressed.
  • To prevent improper operation, touch-control is disabled for [Delete All] operation in playback mode. Only cursor buttons can be used for [Delete All] operation. 
  • There were rare cases where the camera froze during [Segmented File Recording] or during recording at 400 Mbps under a particular set of conditions including the type of SD Card used. This phenomenon has been improved.
  • Aperture and shutter speed can be controlled using front/rear dials when the rear monitor is set to OFF
  • There were cases where F value control failed depending on the maximum F value when non-Panasonic L-Mount lens is mounted. This bug has been fixed.

•Ninja V / ATOMOS are registered trademarks of ATOMOS Limited.
•Apple and ProRes are trademarks or registered trademarks of Apple Inc. in the United States and/or other countries.
•All other company and product names are trademarks of their respective corporations.
•Design and specifications are subject to change without notice.

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Hello just left a comment on another vid but seems more fitting here. Any thoughts on how the 4K raw is going to be implemented? I ha ve the z6 right now and I’m thinking of switching and upgrading to the S1h because I’m fairly salty about the pixel binning on the Z6 along with a couple of other things. But if the S1h does the same for 4K raw, I may consider another option. I know it still offers the full 5.9 raw, so that’s still very nice. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
To my understanding, 4K on the S1H is scaled, not binned. I’ve never actually looked into this but I hear “pixel binning” in relation to other manufacturers but have never heard that about any LUMIX cameras. I think this is part of why people love 4K on LUMIX, even the micro four thirds cameras. It looks really good.
PhotoJoseph thanks for the reply. I have done a ton of research and also have not found anything saying it is pixel binned. I thought it wouldn’t have been a big deal, but the moire was fairly bad on the Z6 which really sucks. I don’t know why they chose to do this instead of scaling/cropping in. I am only really finding good responses on the S1h so I think I’m pulling the trigger. Here goes nothing.
Excellent. Scaling takes a lot more processing power, which in turn generates more heat, which means faster processors and bigger heat syncs which means more money and a bigger camera! There’s good reason so many manufacturers manage to make cheaper, smaller cameras that claim to have the same features… but they rarely deliver on quality. Please use my affiliate link to buy the S1H if that works for you — I’d appreciate it! http://geni.us/LumixS1H
Great work Joseph! Just a question on the prores raw: I’m using a S1H and love the camera but my MacBook Pro has issues with my codecs. I’m now working in proxy but colorgrading is not as accurate. Would prores raw be easier to work with instead of the 4K 422 10 bit mov’s? An atomos is cheaper than a new laptop... and my wife will be easier to convince to let me buy an atomos.
yes definitely. ProRes is an extremely efficient codec.
So will they have the 8K capable GH8K with phase detect by the 2021 Olympics maybe?
You love answering questions I can’t answer, don’t you Charbax.
Is there a possibility of getting 422 color at 6k (internal) while keeping 10 bit?
no
Is there a way to control the S1H functions (i.e. record, stop, exposure, lens, etc) from an external monitor/recorder like the atomos or blackmagic video assist, etc.
No; the camera can trigger record on the ATOMOS but I haven't seen a recorder that can control the camera. If you need remote control, use the "LUMIX Sync" app
Very informative!) what about cable? This atomos cable its too expensive for me. Alternatives?
You need that cable. Sorry, but if you can afford an S1H and a Njnja V and a fast SSD then you can afford the HDMI cable.
PhotoJoseph i have s1h, ninja v and fast ssd. But i dont wanna buy so expensive cable.
That’s like buying a Ferrari but putting regular unleaded gas in it. I can’t help you here.
Any improvements on the AF front??
I didn’t leave anything out. Are you having troubles with your S1H autofocus?
Any information on the raw sensor data type? Is it 12bit linear raw for 10bit logarithmic raw? I suspect it is 12bit, floating point linear. We know the EVA-1 is 10bit integer logarithmic curved. (Panasonic is clear on that) Sony often does 12bit linear readout on these sensors and if this is an IMX310 variant sensor (every indication points to us that it is) then it would make perfect sense. (EXMOR A/D converters are on-chip so it's sampled right there at the collection point and handed off to the image processor already in 12 bit) I don't think that Panasonic could change this. Anyhoo, it would be interesting to know!
I saw 12-bit listed on the ATOMOS site, so I’m going with that. I don’t know any more specific than that though, sorry.
Hi Joseph! Will the S1H have improvements with the HDMI latency?
No. All cameras have HDMI latency. It's an inherent part of the process of converting the signal to HDMI.
Love it! Looking forward to implementing that firmware update
It's pretty awesome!
@PhotoJoseph any insight on why it's being delayed now?
thank you for the great information
my pleasure!
When it comes to editing, does it require a decent MacBook pro? As I've seen your RAW workflow on the Atomos channel, It wasn't really challenging for the MacBook. Can you give some details about the specs?
Right, I wasn’t pushing things there. I haven’t edited a full project on my MBP, but it’s also over five years old. It will, however, play it no problem. I haven’t tried multiple streams of RAW simultaneously on it. Any modern MBP will handle it just fine though.
Panasonic said let's hurry up and push out the raw capability before Canon r5 comes out LOL 😆 (BUT NICEEEEEEE THO)
not even a little bit. This has been a long time coming. Also remember that yesterday was supposed to be the first day of NAB. Most of the big camera companies plan around NAB.
@PhotoJoseph oh I already know bro just making a joke lol, definitely got to get my hands on one and do a review!
sweet!
Is this 10 or 12-bit 4:4:4? Maybe 10-bit at 60fps?
Any word on of this will come to the S1?
Very unlikely, sorry. RAW video is a very high end feature and limited to the pro video camera line.
@PhotoJoseph Makes sense. Aside from the practical side of raw and being able to adjust things later, do you think there is any image quality difference between Vlog and raw? Does it have more DR or any other benefits vs the vlog? Great video!
No additional dynamic range, no. You get every bit of DR out of the sensor in v-Log. Raw will give you better color fidelity, but depending on what you’re doing you may not notice it.
There is a bug that when you record at 6K external monitor will go blank. I’m hoping the firmware fixes this
That's not a bug, but it's a limitation that has been removed in this update. I talk about it at 0:26
Will the Ninja V work with the G9 to record in prores?
Yes, absolutely. Technically the Ninja will record ANYTHING in ProRes, but that doesn't necessarily make it any good. However the G9 outputs 10-bit 422 over HDMI, so that's what you get in the Ninja V, and that's what goes into the ProRes file!
PhotoJoseph - thank you so much, Joe. You are always so helpful and responsive. I hate to bother you but would you recommend I get a Ninja V to improve my quality and work flow? Or do I stay with my less-expensive (non-recording) field monitor?
The only way having an external recorder would benefit you is if you’re pushing your color grades so far that the file is breaking up — you have a much higher data rate in ProRes than internally so there’s less compression. Also ProRes is faster to edit with because it’s very easy for the computer to process. But the files take up a lot more space! I hate to say it, and don’t take this the wrong way, but it’s kind of one of those things where if you’re asking if you need it, then you probably don’t. If you need it, you know you need it, and you know WHY you need it. Focus on content creation, lighting, and storytelling and you’ll gain much more!
PhotoJoseph - thank you so much. I don’t need it. I just shoot stock video so what I have is all I need. Greatly appreciated.
Ya that’s cool but what cool m4/3 stuff is coming down the pipeline 🧐
😁
I'm guessing you filmed this video in Pro Res Raw
LOL nope… only got one of those rigs, and it was in the shot ;-)
What's up with the second camera angle and you not switching your viewing perspective?
you mean, why don't I look at it?
JackH Tech49 I thought that too. Just seems weird looking off into another direction.
Curious that you'd say that… most interviews you watch have multiple angles; one right into camera and others off-axis. Shooting this way provides a method of shooting and editing quickly… I can decide to repeat a line nearly anywhere, without having to change focus, and get clean edits because I am changing angles.
Personally I appreciate the clean edits (rather than disorientating jumpcuts) and think the two angles keep visual interest subconsciously. I didn't even notice he wasn't looking into the second angle camera.
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