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ATEM Mini Pro ISO featuring LIVE Music by Emily Turner

Photo Moment - September 16, 2020

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The Music of Emily Turner

🎵 Emily's solo music https://emilyturnermusic.com
🎵 Emily's band Free Creatures https://www.freecreaturesmusic.com
🎵 Follow Emily on Instagram at https://instagram.com/free.creatures and https://instagram.com/emilyterrestrial

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  • 00:00 Introduction
  • 3:44 Live performance setup
  • 6:14 Emily Tuner live performance
  • 9:37 Editing in DaVinci Resolve
  • 12:41 Editing in Final Cut Pro X
  • 16:00 Edited Emily Tuner performance

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THE MUSIC OF EMILY TURNER…
🎵 Emily's solo music https://emilyturnermusic.com
🎵 Emily's band Free Creatures https://www.freecreaturesmusic.com
🎵 Follow Emily on Instagram at https://instagram.com/free.creatures and https://instagram.com/emilyterrestrial

00:00 Introduction
3:44 Live performance setup
6:14 Emily Tuner live performance
9:37 Editing in DaVinci Resolve
12:41 Editing in Final Cut Pro X
16:00 Edited Emily Tuner performance
Too bad she is not on Apple Music ....
I just told her you said that ;-)
PhotoJoseph ❤️
Thanks for making this very informative video. I have a question though. I know you mentioned it already but I just want to clarify. Is the multiview software can be downloaded from blackmagic? All four cameras will show in the monitor using the software? Thanks.
That’s hardware, not software. The Pro and the Pro ISO have it. Enable it with the software but it exists in hardware.
Incredible 👏
Than you!
Very through and clear explanation, I'm considering jumping from Sling Studio in to the Atem World.
Awesome, glad I could help! I’ve done lots of ATEM videos if you still have questions about the different models.
Do I need to already have Davinci Resolve? Or does that software come with the Atemi mini Pro ISO? I'm a final cut editor as well
You can use the FREE version of Resolve to do what I did here. The ATEM doesn’t have any software in the box; they stopped doing that a while ago since any software included is pretty much obsolete as soon as it’s packaged. You need to download the ATEM Control software and Resolve from the blackmagic website — both free.
thank you
Thanks for watching!
Very good
Cheers!
Wow. Well done.
Thank you!
Truly stunning performance (both of you), was a true joy watching it
I, and we, appreciate that! ;-)
Thanks Joseph, very useful!
Thank you!
Nice
Thank you!
Lovely and talented. Of course I'm talking about both of you haha
Seriously, AWESOME complete video. After hours of researches, this is the last part I needed to see. GREAT work!
thank you for saying that! Much appreciated.
I have been buying Black Magic gear since 2013 but the service is so bad that I can no longer buy their gear.
I am surprised to hear you say that. When I email their technical support, I get an answer within 24-48 hours. Sometimes it takes a few emails to resolve an issue, but that’s tech support. When it’s urgent, I can get someone on the phone during business hours and that’s always been a fantastic experience. And the forums on the BMD website are great, with lots of enthusiastic users ready to help. So, I don’t know why you’d say that.
PhotoJoseph I am not one to publicly drag a company but they really failed me and my company as an end user. I was actually only able to get any real help by calling B&H and they let me send my ATEM Pro back even though it had been 90 days since the purchase date. I can honestly get more out of my stream by using a Roland x 4 video and multiple capture cards into Resolume on a video server. Thanks for the reply and keep up the cool videos.
That’s a shame. To your point about getting more from the other config… well sure but I think you just listed at least six pieces of hardware and probably several thousand dollars vs a single $600 product. Not really a fair comparison. What was the problem with the ATEM, if I can ask?
I've just bought the atem mini pro last month, Does this new one records in 4K?
No. That’s not the kind of thing I’d leave out of the video :-)
Hello Photo Joseph, Thanks for all these great informative videos. Nice colors, video quality looks like a Million bucks. Where can I purchase a tripod as the one where your moving up down. Thank you.
That’s a jib. It’s in the description; here you go: https://geni.us/c5MYzQ
Hi photo Josef.
My namn is Thomas From BMS media production. Thank you for an exelent domo from your recording.
God song and Base playing bye the way.
I doing live streaming and studio recording with my mini Pro as well.
Is it reasanable to uppgrade to an iso instead. By selling my Pro to the second hand marked ?
Or import files from my 3 Pro Sony cameras. Then I can add those filés to solve the misstankes from the Atm Pro hd back up filés.
I m Using Resolve 16 Editing Sw.
Br Thomas
That’s up to you my friend… if it’s worth the money for the added convenience then yes you should! But only you can answer that.
Great video
thanks!
how do you set up the audio? As far as I know, ATEM has 2 mic input.
Correct, but those mic inputs are two audio-only inputs. Each HDMI input is also audio, so technically the ATEM has SIX audio inputs. Each has independent control in software. However the real magic of the audio mix happened in hardware before it came to the ATEM. Scroll through the comments; Emily left a top level comment explaining her gear!
PhotoJoseph Hi. how to captured audio via external mixer to Atem? just have XLR to Audio converter and goes to mic 1 channel? and is it good? is there any risk of audio to video delay?
I used the Panasonic XLR1, an on-camera XLR adapter for LUMIX cameras. You could also route it through a device like a Zoom F6. Video from the camera will be delayed because it’s HDMI, so if you put the video and audio together before the ATEM, then they will be in sync. If you feed the audio in separately, you will need to delay it, however the ATEM has audio delay built in. I did a whole video on that. https://youtu.be/H07ZW72CSD0
Good job! Great performance. Can't find the song on Spotify - make it happen, Emily! =)
This is actually an unreleased track… we’re some of the first to hear it!
Hey there! There were some questions about what gear we used to capture the audio, and in case I missed some, here’s more info:

For vocals, a Shure BETA 87A Microphone directly into a Roland AC-40 Amp. The beat you can hear was made by Marv Ellis, and is a pre-recorded loop playing on a Boss RC-300 Loop machine, which also runs to the Roland Amp. We then ran the Roland amp stereo output to one of his cameras. Meanwhile, the electric upright bass was run into a MarkBass Amp, which was run into a separate camera. (@PhotoJoseph correct me if I missed something!) We kept it simple intentionally to abide by Covid distancing rules and I think that helped us get such a clean, full mix with minimal equipment! I also love performing through the Roland AC-40; I use a little bit of the built-in reverb and it always goes down smooth. Thanks for the love!
Thanks for posting that Emily; now I can point every one who asks, here!
awesome demo. now i dont have to do one :) I am however planning to use a very similar setup to showcase my daughter's music with almost the same setup! thanks for giving me a target to aim towards
Awesome, and good luck!
Great demo and the song was butter !
thank you, and she's great isn't she?!
Hey thanks! 💕
It would be nice if the ATEM could generate a FCP multicam XML :-/
Feel free to request that from blackmagic but since they make resolve and would prefer you use that, I can imagine what their answer will be 😉
@PhotoJoseph Given that it doesn't, and Resolve looked pretty easy to use, can you see yourself doing ATEM re-edits in Resolve (and the price is right) rather than FCPX? Also, to make re-editing easier in FCPX, would a clapper help? You know, trim the Resolve edit to the clap, export that XML to FCPX and then you have a well-defined starting point for syncing.
If I were shooting with BMPCC cameras, then yeah I'd probably stay in Resolve. But given the ease of converting to FCPXML, I'd rather do that and edit where I'm comfortable. The clapper would not really help; as long as all the cameras had microphones (even just the crappy on-camera mic) then syncing the four cameras' original recordings is easy; FCPX will do that based on audio. That's how I did it here.
Good job on this video. Thanks for putting it out.
@PhotoJoseph If you have a moment, with the ATEM Mini Pro, is the video encoding higher quality than what say Ecamm Live would put out? Thanks!
I haven't done a comparison but in general, the answer is yes. Hardware encoding is generally better because it has dedicated components to the encode, where a software system is run on your computer and can be compromised by anything else on your system. Plus it is likely to be a better quality encoder to start with.
@PhotoJoseph Thanks form that. I do live streams and though Ecamm is great software, I've been disappointed in the quality of the video output. To be clear, I am feeding the video from my Cinema camera via HDMI, plugged into a Camlink.
Give the ATEM a try. DVE Store has them in stock right now (Sept 22, 2020) — they told me this morning. http://geni.us/ATEMminiProISO
@PhotoJoseph Sure thing. I will be sure to buy with your link. I am now deciding if the ISO version is what I want, or only the pro ... something I have to think about. Thanks again.
How did you patch the audio through the mic lines
She handed me two XLR cables; one for the bass and one for the live vocals + recorded backing track. I've asked her to make a comment on here to list her tech setup, as a lot of people have asked!
@PhotoJoseph being as the switcher doesnt have xlr, what adapters did you use to go in to the 3.5 jacks and did you experience any delay in audio/video sync?
XLR into the cameras via Panasonic XLR1 adapters. That kept the video and audio in sync.
Hi! Thanks very much for your question! Here’s the gear I used: a Shure BETA 87A Microphone directly into a Roland AC-40 Amp, which we ran into his camera... I use a touch of the reverb setting that comes on the Roland amp as well :)
Can I use this song in my channel
You will need to secure rights from Emily directly. Visit her channel https://youtu.be/Pqh3DgeJf9c and post the question there!
This is INSANE thank you brother
Thank you!
Holy smokes!!! I am blown away, this is one heck of a demo on the ATEM MINI pro ISO.... So many questions... but in fairness to your time, there's 2 that screams out in my head. 1) in watching the xml file created for FCX, I didn't see an option to create one for Adobe Premiere Pro? Was it that there was no option to create it from the ATEM? 2) If you did the livestream in Facebook Live, or Twitch are there any steps that need to be alter significantly in either the set up or the workflow when streaming?

Also, I loved how you even anticipate the question about selling or trading old gear, as I am glad I held out buying the ATEM MINI Pro in thinking another upgrade is around the corner..... yet it leads me to the bigger question what features would be added in the next update, and do you feel the MINI switcher lines may replace their other studio switchers?

Thanks again for bringing in Emily to perform as I can certainly relate the challenge of puting a fun twist to an informative video. I can't imagine the logistics to pulling it off and hope it wasn't too hard, given the current challenges with the pandemic.

Again excellent video, and look forward to hearing from you soon. Be well and hope you continue to stay safe...
Thanks for the enthusiasm; I appreciate it! To answer your questions… Resolve doesn't have an export to Premiere, but if you google "convert Resolve to Premiere" you'll probably find something. The ATEM itself only generates a Resolve file, since both the ATEM and Resolve are made by Blackmagic. Live streaming to facebook or twitch is built into the hardware so just a matter of selecting the platform. I did a video on how to stream anywhere else though, here: https://youtu.be/Qc7od4tIQSI — as to future releases, I have no idea what is or isn't coming, and I'm sure that Blackmagic won't totally cannibalize their higher end switching market. They make some VERY high end switchers.
Awesome production Joseph.
Thanks mate!
@PhotoJoseph I’ve been unable to find an answer to this question, but if anyone knows I think you’re the guy.

In order to avoid copyright infringement when live streaming weddings or other events to YouTube, I am opting for a Zoom live stream.

However, because Zoom requests that I plug-in my ATEM mini pro ISO into the laptop, I am left with no USB-C port to then save my file to directly out of the ATEM.

Operating off of a 2015 MacBook Pro means that I only have one additional USB-A port and I fear that this port is not fast enough to support the writing speed of a multi camera live event.

What is your advice for safely live streaming so as to avoid copyright, but also seamlessly stream into the Zoom platform? Your feedback is greatly appreciated! Keep up the awesome content.
You’re right to be concerned — YouTube will strike your video even if it’s an unlisted stream. Zoom might be a way around that, but there are other CDNs that you can use that will give you a private stream without the copyright concerns. But if you do want to use Zoom, first know that once you connect the ATEM to your laptop, the USB port changes modes and you can’t record the program on another USB port on your computer — it doesn’t work that way. What I would recommend is that you use an HDMI to USB video converter, so you’d an still use the HDMI-out from the ATEM, but convert that to a “webcam” for the computer to see. Then you can still use the ATEM Mini Pro’s USB port to record the Program (or if you’re using the ATEM Mini Pro ISO, the Program and the ISOs as well).
PhotoJoseph That’s an excellent idea! I wasn’t even aware of the HDMI to USB conversion to be honest. I’ll see what options are available online and explore this as I move closer to my live-streams.

Would you have any recommendations for other CDNs that you believe to be potentially superior to Zoom for private live streams for clients and their close family and friends? So long as people are familiar with the platform, I would be open to the suggestions. I’m selecting Zoom mostly because of its recent popularity and the fact that many people, even much older individuals who are sometimes not very technically savvy, have heard and are at least generally familiar with the Zoom platform.
I used to use a CDN called “Shark” before YouTube did what I needed, but I have no idea what they are doing these days. If you use a custom CDN, you’ll most likely embed the video on your own website and tell everyone to go there to watch. Zoom is only 720p I believe and just not designed for the kind of thing you’re planning. A wedding deserves better quality. And finally don’t wait to buy an HDMI to USB converter. They have been very hard to come by since COVID. Leave nothing to the last minute. Buy now, and test test test.
@PhotoJoseph Absolutely. I have my setup assembled now and I'm just toying around with options for making sure the workflow is as streamlined as possible. The Zoom HD feed appears to be 1080 and the quality is quite nice. Recording with OBS is my only options if I'm using that route. It would be great to design a backend webpage for the couple/client using a CDN like Cloudflare where they could access their stream. I'm digging into this option more today.

I'm disappointed with BMD about the single function of the USB-C output and the fact that there's physically only one port. They seem to have pigeonholed users into and "either / or" scenario. I know they make splitters, but I don't think a USB-C splitter would actually work around this issue if, in fact, your statement about the recording function disappearing once it's plugged in as a webcam is accurate. Thanks for your feedback! Valuable stuff!
Correct you can’t split the USB.
hey, great video! could you talk how you recorded her voice and the instrument which such good quality directly into the livestream?
thanks! So, she had her own gear for the audio which I don’t know anything about. She set it all up. But she gave me two feeds — one for her bass and one for her voice + backing track. (I should have brought the backing track in on a separate channel but her hardware wasn’t set up for that). I fed each of those feeds into two of my cameras via XLR connections using Panasonic XLR1 adapters. On the ATEM I adjusted levels so they sounded right to me, which is what you heard in the “live” portion of this video. Then for the final version of her song at the end of my video, I further adjusted levels and added a limiter, which the way I use it is also a compressor, but the adjustments were very minor from what we recorded live. Really 99% of the processing was done before it got to me. If you want to know what effects or processing she added to her voice or bass, then I can ask her to comment here.
@PhotoJoseph thank you, this was exactly what I came here to learn in the comments.
right on! I emailed her; I’m sure she’ll do it as soon as she can.
Hi! Thanks very much for your question! Here’s the gear I used: a Shure BETA 87A Microphone directly into a Roland AC-40 Amp, which we ran into his camera... I use a touch of the reverb setting that comes on the Roland amp as well :)
She sounds Great 👍🏾 the Demo is Crazy
Crazy good? 😁
Could you do a video about how you did the sound for this video ????
Which part; the music?
PhotoJoseph yes please, like how you mixed it and what audio equipment you used if you wouldn’t mind!
Got it. I actually don’t know… Emily did all the music mix in hardware. All I did was balance the bass with the vocals + backing track. I’ll ask her to make a comment here about her setup for the music though, as others have asked about that too!
Hi! Thanks very much for your question! Here’s the gear I used:

For vocals, a Shure BETA 87A Microphone directly into a Roland AC-40 Amp. The beat you can hear was made by Marv Ellis, and is a pre-recorded loop playing on a Boss RC-300 Loop machine, which also runs to the Roland Amp. We then ran the Roland amp stereo output to one of his cameras. Meanwhile, the electric upright bass was run into a MarkBass Amp, which was run into a separate camera. (@PhotoJoseph correct me if I missed something!) We didn’t use any mixer board... we kept it simple intentionally to abide by Covid distancing rules and I think that helped us get such a simpe, clean mix with minimal equipment!
Emily Turner thank you so much for this ✨
The Best walkthrough video of this product so far. I Love it. thanks for sharing
Aw thanks very much!
genius work with the moving camera! also the ftb was something I have done more than id like to admit lol made the performance fun having it mixed live!
Thanks Jordan! I definitely wanted some movement in it… originally I was going to do a motorized slider on a loop but then thought this would be more fun (and more challenging!)
@PhotoJoseph When I saw you at full stretch, I thought "hmmm, he's going to drop that. should use a motorised slider on a loop" lol
Haha it was actually well balanced… if I let go it’d slowly fall, which is mostly what I was doing!
Could you sync the time and date of your Lumix cameras with and Android phone? That would make it very easy for editing as FCP X could sync by "time"...what are your thoughts? Thanks
Yes, or more accurately, you would sync all the LUMIX cameras with an actual timecode generator (see https://youtu.be/Nmde6Z7fH_A for more info) and that would keep all four cameras in sync with each-other. However there is no way to feed timecode into the ATEM, so the timecode would be off. You could try to manually get the timecode in the cameras to match Time of Day on the ATEM, but it's very very unlikely to be frame accurate. If you're off by a frame, you may as well be off by an hour. OK maybe that's an over exaggeration, but it'd be virtually impossible to make it perfectly accurate. It'd be best to get the LUMIX cameras in sync, then shift their timecode into perfect accuracy using software like Tentacle Sync Studio.
Wow this is awesome,thanks so much
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video. So, you turn the cameras on, but not necessarily use them to record. They just act as an input to the ATEM which does the recording into some external recorder. Right? I guess you could also use the camera's own recording capacity as backup, but not needed. Right? Also, if I wish to use a mac mini to say show some power point slides, do you just point a camera to the monitor? or actually connect the mac mini or pc, to the switcher? I'm totally new to this and thank you in advance for your reply..
Cameras don’t need to record; correct. They do need clean HDMI out though (meaning no camera interface on the output); many cheap cameras do not. To play slides, connect the HDMI out of the computer to the ATEM; the Mac will just treat it like a second display.
@PhotoJoseph Thank you. As a musician I enjoyed Emily's performance and your filming and editing process..
Thank you!
Great video as usual Joesph and very glad to support your content! 🤘
Thank you Gear Focus!!
Great video Photo Joseph, this was the exact use case I needed to see, it fits in quite well with something a friend and I are developing, I was totally blown away and Emily was fabulous, did I mention the video was excellent 😎 way to go bro 👍
Thank you for that! I’m glad you enjoyed it so much :-)
Thanks very much! What a fun project to be brought in on... it was really fun to watch him do his thing in person!
@Emily Turner You are very welcome, you are an awesome talent and i hope to see more collaborations like this with you
@PhotoJoseph Credit where credit is due, you generously share what you learn to help others on similar paths, and you do an awesome job, keep doing you dude 😎 💯
Aw, thank you Perspective Caribbean!
WOW! This is the best demonstration I've seen of the ATEM Mini Pro ISO and its live/post workflow. Nicely done Joseph! And great performance by Emily!
Thanks buddy! Much appreciated :-)
My sentiments exact
😊
Thanks very much!!
Great Video for many reasons. This is the first time I saw a live switch demo of the ATEM Mini Pro Iso with a live performance and the performer Emily Turner was outstanding. I will be looking for her music and looking forward to your next video. Great Job.
Thanks Kevin! Appreciate that and I know Emily will as well 😊
@PhotoJoseph I know you have done Macro videos in the past. But I have a question concering the ATEM MINI and MINI Pro. Can a macro change the media pool selection from
one graphic to another when using that graphic for a Upstream key. Another words Change from one camera being keyed to another camera keying on different background. This
is something I could routinely do with a Tricaster.
Absolutely. All you do is while recording the macro, drag the image you want into position BEFORE enabling the upstream key.
Thanks very much!!
Excellent!!! Thank you :)
Thanks for watching!
Great show! What lav mix are you using? Sounds awesome
Thanks! That's the Sennheiser AVX system https://geni.us/otUEn
Teşekkürler (thanks)
Thanks for watching!
Great Job 🏆
Thank you kindly!
Excellent demonstration and a great performance from Emily!
Thanks, and wasn't she incredible?? Such a fun video to make!
Thank you!
It's great that you showed your work, it's a very valuable video!
Glad you liked it!
I don't have a BMPCC, so I will take an ATEM MINI PRO. Because I want to keep the high quality video as possible.
PhotoJoseph sorry about my English. I mean I'm using Sony a7Riii, and two a7iii. I'm recording 4K by those cameras. So if I want to use the best quality of video that it does not have a benefit for using PRO ISO. I know if use BMPCC with PRO ISO that can use BMR film.
ATEM MINI PRO ISO just recoding 1080p, so if use 4K quality PRO ISO no benefit. I think. But use BMPCC with PRO ISO, it is a awesome system.
Not really… the ATEM will stream whatever you give it but only to 1080p. So if your camera is a Sony or a BMPCC or a LUMIX you can get a great image out of it, and into the ATEM to stream. The only advantage of using the BMPCC is that you can trigger B-RAW recording from the ATEM then easily swap out the RAW (online) for the MP4 (offline) edit. If you already have Sony cameras you can use the ATEM just fine
@PhotoJoseph​ Thank you for really good advice. I will buy a ATEM MINI PRO and save $300.
Nice!
thanks for the great content Joseph! i'm new to this so excuse me if this is a stupid question. When livestreaming do you or can you use a LUT or colorgrade on the spot? or do you need something like an Atomos? thanks in advance
That all depends on the camera. You can NOT load a LUT into the ATEM Mini; it just streams whatever it gets. However if you are using BMPCC cameras, then you can actually do complete color correction from within the ATEM itself. If you want to record in Log, then if your camera supports Log wtih LUT output, like the LUMIX G or S series do, then you can record the native Log video internally, and output an image with a LUT applied over HDMI, feeding into the ATEM (that's what I did here). If your cameras do NOT do that, then you can use an ATOMOS recorder. Feed Log into the ATOMOS, and in the ATOMOS you can apply a LUT, and then choose to add the LUT to the HDMI output. So you would record in Log to ProRes in the ATOMOS, and output the image with the LUT to the ATEM.
@PhotoJoseph ah thank you for the
extensive reply. this clears up a lot of my questions. much appreciated!
You’re welcome!
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