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by Matt
November 13, 2016 - 3:54pm

Did I read that correctly?  Apple put Aperture on the 2016 touch bar MacBook Pro models?  If so, this is AWESOME, and hopefully since we can’t bring Steve back, Aperture will do!  I’d love to see it next to Logic Pro X (music) and Final Cut Pro X (movies) on the customer order page.  Aperture 4.0…sign me up.  But, I too love Affinity’s Photo.  MacPhun’s recent Luminar also is not DAM, but they too are racing to get there.  I’d go with Affinity.

Why does one of these great companies not ask Apple for the Aperture code (if Aperture is supposedly dead at Apple)?  What harm comes from it since they give away the consumer, selfie-era Photos app.

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by bjurasz
November 13, 2016 - 4:08pm

Only thing I can think of is its prohibitive to port Aperture from Objective C to Swift.

Bill Jurasz
Austin Texas

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by Mimosay
November 13, 2016 - 4:15pm

I think the answer we’re looking for is not far off. The new Macbook Pros are beginning to ship. Apparently, the Macbook Pros inside the Apple stores are off limits so people cannot actually touch them. This doesn’t make sense, but oh well.

I think we’ll find out fairly quickly, whether or not the new MacBooks actually include Aperture or not. If so, then yes, I think we will definitely have Aperture around for a bit more.

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by Mimosay
November 13, 2016 - 4:18pm

I should also add that, if indeed, Aperture still lives, then the creator of this website, might want to consider re-changing the name back to Aperture Expert. Personally, I think that name sounds a hell of a lot better.

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by Rafael - MyDarkroom.ca
November 13, 2016 - 11:03pm

Guys, Aperture is buggier and buggier every day. I have not even updated to Sierra with fear that this will be it (despite multiple reports of Aperture working relatively well on it). 

I hate to say that but I doubt the new MacBook Pros are coming with Aperture installed. Aperture is not even available to download from the Apple App store anymore. It is sad and I still mourn Aperture every single day. Unfortunately Apple won't resurrect it. The idea of having it sold to another company is compelling but also won't happen: lot of the patented technology that makes Aperture run is part of Photos/MacOS. It would be nice someone (Hello Affinity!) could use similar UI/UX with a non-modular workflow. Nonetheless, just a dream.

I hate to be the one to give a wakeup call. There won't be Aperture 4 and there won't be updates. I would be glad to be wrong. I still use Aperture on a daily basis (after trying CP1 and subscribing to LR for a year) but I am afraid it is getting close for me to migrate, this time for good. Sad times. 

Take care

 

Raf

 

 

 

 

 

 

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by Henrik Lorenzen
December 26, 2016 - 3:57pm

Well I jump the Capture one pro wagon. but it is a slow as he** 

I tried the capture one pilot and dam that thing is even slower then watching paint dry!!!!! 

so last week I made up my mind … Aperture  running yes I might not have the Super fancy raw converter as Capture one pro but at least I can find my photos and it dos not take 10 minutes to load 

yes we just need to get Cook&Co to make Aperture 4 that would be the best 

I run 10.2.2 on a MBP 1 TB sad and Aperture is flying in full screen and all my old plug ins are still working 

So Aperture for now until Capture one gets there DAM to work much better 

 

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by Bob Rockefeller
December 26, 2016 - 4:21pm

The new ON1 Photo RAW might be an option as it stabilizes. Luminary still needs a DAM to be competitive.

Bob
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by rstreborg
December 26, 2016 - 6:48pm

I’ve been playing with ON1 RAW and it looks promising. It’s keyword features and ability to use keywords for smart albums is very rudimentary when compared to Aperture. A number of requests regarding improving this have been proposed. If they act on some of the suggestions I can make the move.

streborg

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by SKR Imaging
December 26, 2016 - 6:54pm

Does ON1 Photo RAW have an iPad app to control (like rating and flagging) like Capture One Pilot?

Is there any app available that can provide Capture One Pilot type of functionality to control Photos app for Mac library?. without the need for Cloud service?.. I am looking for this type of feature for my DAM choice.

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by rstreborg
December 26, 2016 - 7:38pm

I am not familiar with Capture On Pilot but ON1 does have an IOS app called Photo Via. Their product page talks about syncing ratings, metadata and smart albums. I have not tried it. They also have the ability to sync photos between machines using services like Dropbox. They have demoed making changes on a laptop and having the changes show up a few seconds later on a desktop. Works both ways. I don’t know if this will help you or not.

Also, ON1 RAW is not a DAM. It is browser and ON1 stresses that a lot. It works with the file structure on your HDD. There is no import. That said it will keep a database of previews, edits, keywords, etc. for images in folders and sub folders you tell it to watch. It uses this to speed up access. Image edits and metadata are also optionally kept in sidecar files. An .on1 sidecar is kept for edits and effects applied to an image and a .xmp sidecar for IPTC data associated with the image. I have found that if you move an image in the Finder you have to move the sidecar files yourself. If you do the same thing in the ON1 Browse module it automatically moves the sidecar files for you.

streborg

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by Jay Herman
January 8, 2017 - 6:49pm

Unless I’ve missed something, I don’t think ON1 stresses that ON1 RAW is not a DAM, but that it doesn’t have to import files into a catalog. DAM simply means Digital Asset Management, and there are various approaches to managing digital assets (photos in this case). Aperture, Capture One, and Lightroom import the images in to a catalog whereas ON1 RAW leaves the files in place and leverages the file structure. And for folders you designate as favorites, it actually builds a catalog/database containing previews, edits, keywords, etc. for each photo (as you indicated). so I see it as simply another approach to DAM.

As a long-time Aperture user, I wasn’t so sure I’d like ON1’s approach, but I have to say it has grown on me, and I actually think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.

As an example, just yesterday I was making sure I had copies of the original files I had taken on my iPhone and then added to Aperture via iCould photo streams. I use referenced masters in Aperture, and I had assumed all along that the iPhone photos I was importing via photo streams would have referenced masters too. However, I realized yesterday that they didn’t. It turns out that only files imported via the import process where I’ve configured the master folder worked this way. My point is that things can get complex/confusing with Aperture’s approach.

With ON1’s approach, every photo is handled in the same way, and there’s no ambiguity as to where it is–it’s in the same place in the file system as it is in the app. And since you can create albums and smart albums, you can still make collections of photos in ways other than how they are organized in my file system. But the thing I’m growing to like is that I’m not forced to have two “locations” for every photo like in Aperture (when using referenced masters, which is the only way I would use it–I hate having my masters hidden from the file system).

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by SKR Imaging
January 8, 2017 - 7:09pm

I agree. DAM can be implemented in different ways. to some, the macOS finder can be considered a DAM as it provides management of your digital assets in a certain way.

I will have to install the trial version of ON1 Photo RAW soon. Looks interesting seeing that I can choose which folder to set as a favourite and have only those folders generate previews and etc. 

I currently use Picktorial as a replacement to Aperture. it allows me to keep my photos in a folder structure on my Mac and all these can be accessed within Picktorial without a need to import or migrate.. All edits done in Picktorial are stored in a sidecar XMP file next to the original RAW file in Finder.

I will relay feedback to Picktorial dev concerning preview generation for favourited folders.. this might help speed up sifting through folders when trying to flag pictures as currently it loads the photo every time I hit the arrow key in thumbnail grid. Maybe he can implement ON1 style smart catalog of sorts.

 

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by Jay Herman
January 9, 2017 - 5:04pm

I have been using ON1 RAW since the first pre-release, and I agree with rstreborg that there were some fairly big issues with the pre-releases, but the release has been pretty good, and the roadmap for future enhancements looks really good. In fact, I have now stopped importing my photos into Aperture and am using only ON1 RAW for new photos.

I also tried Piktorial, and thought it was great for the price, but the lack of any kind of albums (especially smart albums) was a show stopper for me. I also missed having any automatic adjustments like Aperture and ON1 have.

As for ON1, I’m pretty enthused about its future. I still miss some things from Aperture’s DAM capabilities, but ON1’s editing capabilities are truly amazing compared to Aperture, and as I mentioned I think I actually like the file-based DAM approach better on balance. I made my old Aperture Masters folder (with all its subfolders) a “favorite” in ON1, and I’ve been going back and editing some things that I previously edited in Aperture. With a few exceptions, I can get better results in a shorter time in ON1.

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by rstreborg
January 8, 2017 - 7:46pm

You correct that they do not headline the non DAM aspect of ON1 RAW. However, it has been mentioned multiple times in various intro videos available on their site, usually in “Intro to Browse” or similarly titled overviews and shorts. I’m still using Aperture but have been using some features of ON1 products since Perfect Photo Suite 8. I did not have the Aperture problem you mentioned with mixed referenced and managed photos. I don’t use an phone for pictures and I frequently check my Aperture Library to ensure all photos were referenced. I immediately relocated any that were managed. For me ON1 RAW is not quite there yet but it is really close. Meanwhile, I’m staying on Yosemite until I can migrate to ON1 RAW and using the time to clean up my Aperture Library, digitize 40+ years of film and learn ON1 RAW. If your are going to trial before you buy I would wait a bit. They are working feverishly quashing bugs and getting features that were in ON1 Photo 10.5 back in. The two pre-releases lacked quite a number of features. The Official release is pretty good, very functional and very responsive. I have not had any crashes, but they have a good list of bugs to fix and features to add over the next few months. Based on what they say I expect there will a number of incremental releases in the near term.

streborg

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by Krakatoa Sundra
January 20, 2017 - 3:37pm

I am still using Aperture. I am commit to it for the long term and I have no plans to move to another dam. I can round trip it to Affinity Photo which i know very well if it is necessary (rare).

I have Photos as an experiment as with everything else.  Affinity Photo extension is awesome!!!! The entire app functionality!!! Non-destructive too so all the layers, adj layers, live filters, etc are maintained. This is not the migration path for me. I do not see myself moving to this because I don't believe Apple will add options for things like Stacks and TIFF or at least 16-bit/channel PNG for extension editing because I believe they do not want users to do that.

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by Ingmar
January 25, 2017 - 7:32am

Here! Me too…one of the few left working with Aperture. On macOS 10.12.3. Photos is used as well, but only for sharing some of my pictures with familiy and friends and access it on my iOS devices.

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by Mark Alderson
January 29, 2017 - 12:14pm

Well, this was exactly the question I was going to pose today, was anybody still using Aperture. I am struggling using anything else for DAM, all my stuff is a mess right now.

I wish that there was a good way to import your folders that would update files names and every thing in one easy swoop, like Aperture did. Any find any good tutorials on how to do that using Photo RAW?

Thanks!

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by rstreborg
January 29, 2017 - 7:01pm

My photos are still in Aperture and I stayed on Yosemite to reduce the change of issues. I’m cleaning up my Aperture library before moving to ON1. The clean up will be an extended project and consists of and deleting all the photos I will really never use (mostly 1 star), eliminating unnecessary keywords, then flattening the keyword hierarchy. I will then have Aperture write the metadata to a xmp file and pull it into ON1 RAW. I will then re-adjust my favorites using ON1 RAW.

Meanwhile, I started putting my new images into ON1 RAW and watching every video I can. I joined the ON1 Plus group when it was on sale in December. This gives me access to additional training and next years ON1 RAW release at a considerable discount. I can always drop the Plus subscription for 2018 if I find I’m not using it.

Nicolesy (Nicole Sue Young) has a nice free tutorial series for ON1 RAW. So far she has released 5 lessons and more to come. To me, they are concise and to the point. Go to her website https://store.nicolesy.com and sign up. View the lessons online or download and view on your machine. The ON1.com website has a lot of short and some longer videos as well.

streborg

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by Henrik Lorenzen
June 5, 2017 - 8:42am

I gave up on Co10 since it way to slow and way to buggy for my tast

can handle light room so I stick with Aperture until it gives up maybe something new will come during WWDC2017

I cross my fingers

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